hamo wrote:I don't really know what I'm talking about, as I've only got the Pocket POD, but it seems to me like the POD doesn't always play well with my amp, and that it really was designed for headphones or line out rather than to go through an amp, unless you have stacks of clean headroom. I don't know if the M9/13 is the same, but it just seems to be more of an amp oriented solution. Like I said though, talking through a hole in my arse, so someone more knowledgeable might want to chime in.
Well the Pocket Pod is an amp simulator, so if you stick it in front of an amp it sounds arse, the M9/M13 are effects units, therefore they don't With the XT/X3 you can turn off the amp sims...
So, is that low alcohol or no alcohol at all? mmmm, no alcohol, do you want to try it? Noooooooooo.
hamo wrote:I don't really know what I'm talking about, as I've only got the Pocket POD, but it seems to me like the POD doesn't always play well with my amp, and that it really was designed for headphones or line out rather than to go through an amp, unless you have stacks of clean headroom. I don't know if the M9/13 is the same, but it just seems to be more of an amp oriented solution. Like I said though, talking through a hole in my arse, so someone more knowledgeable might want to chime in.
Well the Pocket Pod is an amp simulator, so if you stick it in front of an amp it sounds arse, the M9/M13 are effects units, therefore they don't With the XT/X3 you can turn off the amp sims...
That's vaguely what I was trying to say, except I had no idea about the full PODs' capabilities.
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I find it interesting that because of the way they've advertised the M13 and M9, people perceive it as 4 or 5 line 6 stompboxes in a big box, rather than a multi effects unit. Well done, they've somehow managed to leapfrog the cringe normally associated with multieffects and even their pod range; it's essentially a stripped down pod but hey, we all like it.
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GrantB wrote:Tony, your taste is, as always, very refined. Or as HG would say, "bloody awful".
Well yeah, my main attraction with Line 6 has always been ease of use (I'm lazy, haha) I've had a pod, pod xt, HD147 and spider II practise amp.
But I agree, the layout of the M9 is far more attractive and easier to use than most multi FX pedals I've seen. it looks and feels like 6 effect pedals.
Plus the expression pedal is great. I was having a great time editing the parameters and reponses of effects etc.
Oh and the loop function rules! it's going to be so good for working on solo ideas/layering ideas!
I think most multi FX guys might scoff at the lack of FX loop in/out for the four cable FX loop, but personally I've never used midi control/FX loop (I never use clean, haha and the only thing I ever put through the FX Loop was the BBE) all my effects have been at the front of my amp.
tonymcbony wrote:I find it interesting that because of the way they've advertised the M13 and M9, people perceive it as 4 or 5 line 6 stompboxes in a big box, rather than a multi effects unit. Well done, they've somehow managed to leapfrog the cringe normally associated with multieffects and even their pod range; it's essentially a stripped down pod but hey, we all like it.
Think you've missed the point really... its not a stripped down Pod, there are effects in there that take much more processing power than the pod can handle. Its more like - all the reverbs, all the mods, all the echos, etc etc etc from the entire range of pedals they sell or have sold, and then some. So maybe a Pod could now be classed as a stripped down M9/13 with an amp sim bolted on.
So, is that low alcohol or no alcohol at all? mmmm, no alcohol, do you want to try it? Noooooooooo.
BG wrote:Think you've missed the point really... its not a stripped down Pod, there are effects in there that take much more processing power than the pod can handle. Its more like - all the reverbs, all the mods, all the echos, etc etc etc from the entire range of pedals they sell or have sold, and then some. So maybe a Pod could now be classed as a stripped down M9/13 with an amp sim bolted on.
+1
the verb's and delays in my M9's are better sounding to my ears than some of the more "high end" rack processors ive owned from the likes of Lexicon, Roland & TC Electronic. they are so convincing that i have sold and / or retired all my pedals in favor of 2 M9's. One in front and one in the loop. Less floor space, less cables, less power supply issues and more sound options. the only thing i would (and eventually will after i win lotto) replace this setup with would be a Ground Control / GCX Switcher setup.
BG wrote:Think you've missed the point really... its not a stripped down Pod, there are effects in there that take much more processing power than the pod can handle. Its more like - all the reverbs, all the mods, all the echos, etc etc etc from the entire range of pedals they sell or have sold, and then some. So maybe a Pod could now be classed as a stripped down M9/13 with an amp sim bolted on.
+1
the verb's and delays in my M9's are better sounding to my ears than some of the more "high end" rack processors ive owned from the likes of Lexicon, Roland & TC Electronic. they are so convincing that i have sold and / or retired all my pedals in favor of 2 M9's. One in front and one in the loop. Less floor space, less cables, less power supply issues and more sound options. the only thing i would (and eventually will after i win lotto) replace this setup with would be a Ground Control / GCX Switcher setup.
Awesome, more flexible than an M13 Now I'm working again an M9 is on the cards
So, is that low alcohol or no alcohol at all? mmmm, no alcohol, do you want to try it? Noooooooooo.
BG wrote:Awesome, more flexible than an M13 Now I'm working again an M9 is on the cards
yeah its a really versatile setup! im stoked with it! your review on the M13 is what got me onto them so thanks!
its a pretty basic setup right now...the M9 infront is routed - COMP > EQ > FUZZ > OCTAVE > WAH > WHAMMY
the M9 in the loop is - SYNTH > CHORUS > DELAY 1 > DELAY 2 > REVERB 1 > REBERB 2
i havent setup any scences yet...but i think ill try a second scene for the M9 in the loop for things like Phaser, Trem, Flange etc. stuff that i wouldnt use very often.
im planning on posting some rig pics once i have everything finished
BG wrote:Awesome, more flexible than an M13 Now I'm working again an M9 is on the cards
yeah its a really versatile setup! im stoked with it! your review on the M13 is what got me onto them so thanks!
its a pretty basic setup right now...the M9 infront is routed - COMP > EQ > FUZZ > OCTAVE > WAH > WHAMMY
the M9 in the loop is - SYNTH > CHORUS > DELAY 1 > DELAY 2 > REVERB 1 > REBERB 2
i havent setup any scences yet...but i think ill try a second scene for the M9 in the loop for things like Phaser, Trem, Flange etc. stuff that i wouldnt use very often.
im planning on posting some rig pics once i have everything finished
Excellent I should get Rob to fit an fx loop to the bellbird and get 2
So, is that low alcohol or no alcohol at all? mmmm, no alcohol, do you want to try it? Noooooooooo.
xCaptainx wrote:would be keen to hear some hints/tips regarding tweakage once I get mine. Really wanting to dial in a great lead tone
I think the biggest hint is for the distortions/od's don't think of the mid control as a control for mids - sounds confusing but its not a mids control on quite a few of the models. Best way I found for tweaking was to play something into the looper, let it loop and then bugger around tweaking to your hearts content, or you get sick of the riff playing back forever. Its a doddle
So, is that low alcohol or no alcohol at all? mmmm, no alcohol, do you want to try it? Noooooooooo.
tonymcbony wrote:I was more getting at that it could have been perceived to be a stripped down pod, and how Line 6 managed to nicely dodge that bullet.
But thats the thing, it isn't so there was no bullet to dodge in reality. I think virtually everyone has realised that its a more powerful, easy to use, great sounding unit. Well virtually anyway
So, is that low alcohol or no alcohol at all? mmmm, no alcohol, do you want to try it? Noooooooooo.
BG wrote:Best way I found for tweaking was to play something into the looper, let it loop and then bugger around tweaking to your hearts content, or you get sick of the riff playing back forever. Its a doddle
haha I didnt even think of doing that, that's AWESOME I've got a feeling I'm going to be turning to our practise room a few hours earlier than everyone else to tweak at gig/stage volume, haha. Seriously that rules.
I'm really excited about the overdrives to be honest. I want this to replace my current overdrive (which I'm using more as a signal boost than anything, the drive is on near zero) so I'm really excited about the EQ/Vetta EQ options as well. I was toying with the idea of getting a clean boost at some point, so the variety on the M9 is perfect. ALl the reviews I've ready of the current firmware update have said that the new drive updates rule.
Plus I was GAS'ing for a whammy a while ago, this does that as well.
With the XT/X3 you can turn off the amp sims...
Now I'm working again an M9 is on the cards 
haha I didnt even think of doing that, that's AWESOME 
I've got a feeling I'm going to be turning to our practise room a few hours earlier than everyone else to tweak at gig/stage volume, haha. Seriously that rules.