50s vs 60s wiring for a Les Paul - thoughts?
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50s vs 60s wiring for a Les Paul - thoughts?
Considering replacing the wiring harness in the LP.
Thoughts on 50s vs 60s wiring? Everyone seems to rave about the 50s.
Thoughts on 50s vs 60s wiring? Everyone seems to rave about the 50s.
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Re: 50s vs 60s wiring for a Les Paul - thoughts?
Yes...and if you an, no-load tone pots.
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Re: 50s vs 60s wiring for a Les Paul - thoughts?
I put fresh pots and caps in the R7 the other day. Went with '50s wiring for obvious reasons I suppose. Now it's done I'm considering a treble bleed as it's a touch muddy when backed-off. Used orange drop caps. Noticed the tone change isn't linear and wondered if different caps would change that?
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Re: 50s vs 60s wiring for a Les Paul - thoughts?
Did you use Linear or Audio taper pots?Molly wrote: Noticed the tone change isn't linear and wondered if different caps would change that?
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Re: 50s vs 60s wiring for a Les Paul - thoughts?
Hmm... I'm not sure but got them from Mathew at Tone Lounge so I'm sure they're 'optimal' so to speak. Truthfully wasn't aware of a difference. I've never specified anything other than the value.Slowy wrote:Did you use Linear or Audio taper pots?Molly wrote: Noticed the tone change isn't linear and wondered if different caps would change that?
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Re: 50s vs 60s wiring for a Les Paul - thoughts?
Was thinking about grabbing one of these badboys from our good friend Matt:
http://tonelounge.co.nz/obsidianwire-tr ... -les-paul/
Probably not no load pots though.
In terms of the particular cap, someone on Seymour Duncan reckons the brand of cap makes no difference at all: http://www.seymourduncan.com/tonefiend/ ... your-caps/ Using a different value cap might change things though?
http://tonelounge.co.nz/obsidianwire-tr ... -les-paul/
Probably not no load pots though.
In terms of the particular cap, someone on Seymour Duncan reckons the brand of cap makes no difference at all: http://www.seymourduncan.com/tonefiend/ ... your-caps/ Using a different value cap might change things though?
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Re: 50s vs 60s wiring for a Les Paul - thoughts?
Well, a quick visit to the SD website m'self and I'm all schooled-up on linear v audio taper. Have to say I think I'd want linear for volume and tone but do wonder if I should use a lower value cap so it's not as dark when the tone backs off a bit.
Guessing there are markings on the pots themselves so a chap can tell one from another?
Guessing there are markings on the pots themselves so a chap can tell one from another?
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Re: 50s vs 60s wiring for a Les Paul - thoughts?
Molly wrote:Well, a quick visit to the SD website m'self and I'm all schooled-up on linear v audio taper. Have to say I think I'd want linear for volume and tone but do wonder if I should use a lower value cap so it's not as dark when the tone backs off a bit.
Guessing there are markings on the pots themselves so a chap can tell one from another?
Just hauling it straight off Google; I have both and it's the linear ones that don't work for me. Too on or off; not progressive.
"Very simply, with a linear taper, if you turn the pot halfway, the resistance measured on each side will be equal. With logarithmic (aka "audio") taper, that is not true; the resistance follows a logarithmic progression. Log taper is used because it gives a more natural progression when used for volume control."
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Re: 50s vs 60s wiring for a Les Paul - thoughts?
50's wiring usually helps avoid the top end volume roll off not make it worse. The tone and volume pots are much more interactive though. Roll the tone back and the volume will drop off much quicker.
You want audio taper in 9 out of 10 cases.
You want audio taper in 9 out of 10 cases.
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Re: 50s vs 60s wiring for a Les Paul - thoughts?
Considering Gibson now uses PCB in their control cavities, you would think a DIP switch to change to 50s wiring would be the obvious thing for them to do. But no.
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Re: 50s vs 60s wiring for a Les Paul - thoughts?
I would give it a week with the 50s before you make a call on it. The volume and tone controls are not as intuitive as 60s wiring but I kinda like them.
I find that the slight treble roll off is great for taking a little edge off rather than just reducing the volume
If after a week you dont like it, I will flick you some treble bleeds. Switch it back to 60s wiring at the same time as the two dont really go together.
Changing cap type wont do didly squat, though changing the cap value will. You could try some 0.015uf but I would work out the above first as the type of wiring will have an effect.
I find that the slight treble roll off is great for taking a little edge off rather than just reducing the volume
If after a week you dont like it, I will flick you some treble bleeds. Switch it back to 60s wiring at the same time as the two dont really go together.
Changing cap type wont do didly squat, though changing the cap value will. You could try some 0.015uf but I would work out the above first as the type of wiring will have an effect.
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Re: 50s vs 60s wiring for a Les Paul - thoughts?
Cheers Mathew. Indeed I did but hoping to use the volume more to clean things up and just want to retain more treble in the process. Will take your advice and love with it a bit longer first. Cheers.ToneLoungeMatt wrote:Also, didnt you say its the best tone you have ever had?
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Re: 50s vs 60s wiring for a Les Paul - thoughts?
lots of info on the Gibson website
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Re: 50s vs 60s wiring for a Les Paul - thoughts?
The 50's seems like a much cooler option if you're into tonal shaping, unfortunately for me when I changed it I still ended up with everything on 11 still, I'm just that kinda guy
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