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Re: P.L.U.T.O.
Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:35 am
by foal30
rocklander wrote:Gelato wrote:borge wrote:Off to Napier now, playing with Mountaineater and left or right tonight
Might see you there, if band practice doesn't
drag on...
insert marc hunter joke...
we need Haylar tabs
Re: P.L.U.T.O.
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:29 pm
by borge
foal30 wrote:
yeah wiki, no I don't want to know thanks
. I can understand the language but I don't actually know or have formed an opinion. For instance, in the good old days the key was invariably the first chord or starting note of the tune
Well IME that's about as successful as ignoring the tonal centre and naming it from the key sig.
If Sammy D is reading any of this look at how different listeners have a different concept of naming the shit. In particular DS, we have the same three chords, but calling it either G maj or E minor
If you know your diatonic harmony you know either key covers both sets of scales/chords
Yes they share the same key sig,but the tonal centre determines which is the key.
Em is held twice as long as any other chord, along with the Bm - Em ( v i ) cadence, its firmly in Em to me.
Rog
yeah it is easy because it is the same notes but from a different starting point
I don't think it's confusing at all and think it is exactly the same as Borge indicating "play C minor pentatonic"
all you do is think of starting points relative to that chord
it's harmonic generalization really
I don't think quoting 5 modes for a 10 second functional, (not modal) diatonic (bar a single chord tone) progression is anything but confusing
I can't think (or play) fast enough to deal with all these chords but I know they all come from Ab major.
so if I stay within Ab major regardless of what the actual chord being played is, I at least are playing 'in'.
Key sig is Eb maj/Cm
whilst this obviously will not do for a career in being interesting
it is IMO a very good way to get basic theory and basic improvisation tied in and under way.
I wouldn't equate chromatics to interesting, I think any 'outside' playing would only detract from this song
Re: P.L.U.T.O.
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:15 pm
by foal30
I think the issue is with this tonal center
is the formula for deciding it is what I feel like or what I might hear it as.
just because a tune may stay on that chord for longer probably is not a fool proof way of deciphering the key.
which isn't really a teachable theory in an empirical sense.
(that's no detraction from anything you raise BTW).