Return of the Gibbons shocker thread!

[Terexgeek]

Oh look! It's a Flying V!

https://www.thenational.ae/lifestyle/tr ... r-1.871143

And lawsuit in three, two....

[Jay]

[jeremyb]

Here's the video https://www.reddit.com/link/c1p9kc/vide ... 431/player

Wow, he comes across as really angry and combative, what a douche move.

[StrummersOfThunder]

Yeh what a cock
That video is really off putting. Arrogant. What makes buying expensive high end stuff worth it a lot of the time is the connection to the builder / artist. Who wants to be connected to this leather clad fucktard?
lets scare people into respecting our brand ?? Is that their vibe ? Fuck off. I'll take my jazzmaster and my harvester thanks very much.

[Terexgeek]

Yeh what a cock
That video is really off putting. Arrogant. What makes buying expensive high end stuff worth it a lot of the time is the connection to the builder / artist. Who wants to be connected to this leather clad fucktard?
lets scare people into respecting our brand ?? Is that their vibe ? Fuck off. I'll take my jazzmaster and my harvester thanks very much.

This point makes me curious why more people aren't interested in Musicman or G&L, "It must be Fender" makes me scratch my head a bit. I don't lose sleep but I find humans endlessly interesting.

[Slowy]

If they'd taken on the Chinese, I would have had some respect and sympathy. That would be entirely justified.

"Only a Gibson is good enough".
Thanks, but I prefer brands that have higher standards than that.

[Slowy]

Yeh what a cock
That video is really off putting. Arrogant. What makes buying expensive high end stuff worth it a lot of the time is the connection to the builder / artist. Who wants to be connected to this leather clad fucktard?
lets scare people into respecting our brand ?? Is that their vibe ? Fuck off. I'll take my jazzmaster and my harvester thanks very much.

This point makes me curious why more people aren't interested in Musicman or G&L, "It must be Fender" makes me scratch my head a bit. I don't lose sleep but I find humans endlessly interesting.

Agreed.
My G&L is nothing like any Fender I've ever played though. It's closer to Suhr territory but definitely falls short in the comparison. But that has advantages; I don't like Suhrs. They're just too perfect and seem to me to lack the character that comes from having to work around a limitation or two.

[Terexgeek]

Yeh what a cock
That video is really off putting. Arrogant. What makes buying expensive high end stuff worth it a lot of the time is the connection to the builder / artist. Who wants to be connected to this leather clad fucktard?
lets scare people into respecting our brand ?? Is that their vibe ? Fuck off. I'll take my jazzmaster and my harvester thanks very much.

This point makes me curious why more people aren't interested in Musicman or G&L, "It must be Fender" makes me scratch my head a bit. I don't lose sleep but I find humans endlessly interesting.

Agreed.
My G&L is nothing like any Fender I've ever played though. It's closer to Suhr territory but definitely falls short in the comparison. But that has advantages; I don't like Suhrs. They're just too perfect and seem to me to lack the character that comes from having to work around a limitation or two.

It's not that it has to be identical, a vintage re-issue Strat will be vastly different to a modern player for instance, it's more that it isn't even considered. Tonal and playing Nirvana might be on the rack right next to the Strat you really want to like because it "looks" like you want it to, but are struggling to buy because it doesn't play/sound the way it should in your head.

[Danger Mouse]

Yeh what a cock
That video is really off putting. Arrogant. What makes buying expensive high end stuff worth it a lot of the time is the connection to the builder / artist. Who wants to be connected to this leather clad fucktard?
lets scare people into respecting our brand ?? Is that their vibe ? Fuck off. I'll take my jazzmaster and my harvester thanks very much.

This point makes me curious why more people aren't interested in Musicman or G&L, "It must be Fender" makes me scratch my head a bit. I don't lose sleep but I find humans endlessly interesting.

Ah the power of the brand and how it's marketed. As much as I hate marketing (being an engineer and all), I am constantly amazed at how brand marketing can make people buy things they don't need, or in this case choose a lesser product over another for no other reason than the brand "speaks to them". Marketing is pretty much lying to people so that they buy things.

I do get it though, both Gibson and Fender have such a legacy that pretty much all of us can relate one of our guitar heros to one or both brands. I might not give a shit that Eric Clapton is a Fender guy, but Billy Corgan wrote and recorded a lot of my favourite Smashing Pumpkins stuff on a Fender Strat, so somewhere tucked in the recesses of my mind is a "Fender is cool" association. Plus for some there is the idea that if they opened the case to their Fender Custom Shop Strat to show friends, even non-guitarists would know what they were looking at, instead of having to explain what a G&L or Suhr is.

I also find humans endlessly interesting, especially how easily we can be manipulated into making significant decisions in our lives based on little more than a convincing website, or a well-produced youtube vid that someone linked on facebook (especially as, as much as I'd like to be, I know I'm not immune to it).

[kwhelan]

compared to clothing, guitars just don't even register
nike, katmandu etc although dear enough pale into insignificance compared to the famous designer brands that are mostly made in the same factories using the same materials.
we walked past a shop with a sales rack out front the other day. wife was looking at this dress by trelise cooper
was $50 marked down from $750

Yeh what a cock
That video is really off putting. Arrogant. What makes buying expensive high end stuff worth it a lot of the time is the connection to the builder / artist. Who wants to be connected to this leather clad fucktard?
lets scare people into respecting our brand ?? Is that their vibe ? Fuck off. I'll take my jazzmaster and my harvester thanks very much.

This point makes me curious why more people aren't interested in Musicman or G&L, "It must be Fender" makes me scratch my head a bit. I don't lose sleep but I find humans endlessly interesting.

Ah the power of the brand and how it's marketed.

[Terexgeek]

Yeh what a cock
That video is really off putting. Arrogant. What makes buying expensive high end stuff worth it a lot of the time is the connection to the builder / artist. Who wants to be connected to this leather clad fucktard?
lets scare people into respecting our brand ?? Is that their vibe ? Fuck off. I'll take my jazzmaster and my harvester thanks very much.

This point makes me curious why more people aren't interested in Musicman or G&L, "It must be Fender" makes me scratch my head a bit. I don't lose sleep but I find humans endlessly interesting.

Ah the power of the brand and how it's marketed. As much as I hate marketing (being an engineer and all), I am constantly amazed at how brand marketing can make people buy things they don't need, or in this case choose a lesser product over another for no other reason than the brand "speaks to them". Marketing is pretty much lying to people so that they buy things.

I do get it though, both Gibson and Fender have such a legacy that pretty much all of us can relate one of our guitar heros to one or both brands. I might not give a shit that Eric Clapton is a Fender guy, but Billy Corgan wrote and recorded a lot of my favourite Smashing Pumpkins stuff on a Fender Strat, so somewhere tucked in the recesses of my mind is a "Fender is cool" association. Plus for some there is the idea that if they opened the case to their Fender Custom Shop Strat to show friends, even non-guitarists would know what they were looking at, instead of having to explain what a G&L or Suhr is.

I also find humans endlessly interesting, especially how easily we can be manipulated into making significant decisions in our lives based on little more than a convincing website, or a well-produced youtube vid that someone linked on facebook (especially as, as much as I'd like to be, I know I'm not immune to it).

Me too, I would be happy to find a Fender/Gibson/PRS that spoke to me at the right price at the right time, I would totally hit that and probably in preference to other brands too and at a slightly higher price point. Exactly your point on the black art of marketing!

[jeremyb]

Keef has fender on his headstock so yeah if I'm honest it's that shallow for me and many others I imagine!

[godgrinder]

Who wants to be connected to this leather clad fucktard? .

I seem to remember this Mark guy took every opportunity to make fun of Gibson during the chapter 11 episode. Funny how a paycheck changes everything.

[Lawrence]

The obsession with one or two "traditional" or "historic" guitars, amplifier, heck even stomp boxes is something I really dont understand. To be fair,while rock and roll is still young....(and its not dead, it just smells funny) but technology has driven shorter change cycles, and therefore the slow evolution that made, say, a violin be a very fixed design concept might have happened in a much shorter time.
Regardless, the refusal by most guitarists to consider anything that is not a 50 year old design in guitars (and amps generally) is weird. The amount of stupid comments I endured during my time as a Steinberger player was unbelievable despite the instrument being a quantum leap above most in terms of functional design.
As a hobby guitar builder I noticed at gearfests that no one is interested in discussing the design decisions or in most cases even having a play on my builds...yet I bet if I built copies of Telecasters people would be enthused.
The Israeli chap who builds the Les Paul copies comes to mind....So the Les Paul is a very succesful product - its sound has been well received by the market and its pretty - and people put up with it's design failures (weight, poor upper fret access, uncomfortable bridge etc). But the replicas are built as if there is some fundamental voodoo about the design...

Personaly I think its sad that Gibson get derided whenever they try something new...though I have to admit some of the ideas are pretty weird...Perhaps they should give me a job!

[Conway]

The obsession with one or two "traditional" or "historic" guitars, amplifier, heck even stomp boxes is something I really dont understand. To be fair,while rock and roll is still young....(and its not dead, it just smells funny) but technology has driven shorter change cycles, and therefore the slow evolution that made, say, a violin be a very fixed design concept might have happened in a much shorter time.
Regardless, the refusal by most guitarists to consider anything that is not a 50 year old design in guitars (and amps generally) is weird. The amount of stupid comments I endured during my time as a Steinberger player was unbelievable despite the instrument being a quantum leap above most in terms of functional design.
As a hobby guitar builder I noticed at gearfests that no one is interested in discussing the design decisions or in most cases even having a play on my builds...yet I bet if I built copies of Telecasters people would be enthused.
The Israeli chap who builds the Les Paul copies comes to mind....So the Les Paul is a very succesful product - its sound has been well received by the market and its pretty - and people put up with it's design failures (weight, poor upper fret access, uncomfortable bridge etc). But the replicas are built as if there is some fundamental voodoo about the design...

Personaly I think its sad that Gibson get derided whenever they try something new...though I have to admit some of the ideas are pretty weird...Perhaps they should give me a job!

Probably time I did a NGD thread on my Relish guitar. I'm sure you'd be interested Lawrence, it has some very interesting design features.