Return of the Gibbons shocker thread!

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Interesting. Strikes me that these bigger companies might be a bit bloated. If the market for guitars is shrinking, perhaps them shrinking too would be a good way to continue on.

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Total sales are down because guitars are getting less popular. When I was a child grown men collected electric trains or stamps. Yet today there is almost no interest in trains and stamps. If you are into those things, you look out of step with the times. Guitars are going the same way. Our hobby will be an anachronism (conspicuously old fashioned).
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Terexgeek wrote:
werdna wrote:
Terexgeek wrote: I wonder how different it would have been if they had cultivated artist relations better (like PRS and Fender) and brought the changes through with artist support (like PRS with Mark Tremonti or Fender with the Ed O'Brien), rather than a general release like they did with Gibson's notoriously conservative buyers.
Take this example of Gibson's artist relations. In 1990 Slash went to Gibson and asked for three guitars to take on tour. This was four years after the release of Appetite, which was multi platinum, and GnR was on permanent rotation on MTV, with Slash playing a Les Paul in almost every take. Slash had been on the cover of every guitar magazine. At a time when everyone else was playing super strats, single handed Slash had reintroduced popularity of LPs. Slash was about to set out on one of the longest tours in history playing in front of millions of people. I read somewhere that Gibson asked Slash to pay for the guitars. They were three fairly unremarkable plain top standards, with three piece tops, in a bright orange stain. But even if they didn't ask him to pay for the guitars, you would think that they would give him better Les Pauls than those three.
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Has anyone told norlin yet?
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werdna wrote:Total sales are down because guitars are getting less popular. When I was a child grown men collected electric trains or stamps. Yet today there is almost no interest in trains and stamps. If you are into those things, you look out of step with the times. Guitars are going the same way. Our hobby will be an anachronism (conspicuously old fashioned).
Pretty much. Guitars are associated with the dinosaur rock of the 70s, cock rock of the 80s, angst grunge of the 90s, and douche rock-rap-metal of the 00s. None of this stuff is widely popular anymore. And fair enough - the world was saturated with guitar-based music for a long time.

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werdna wrote:
Terexgeek wrote:
werdna wrote:
Take this example of Gibson's artist relations. In 1990 Slash went to Gibson and asked for three guitars to take on tour. This was four years after the release of Appetite, which was multi platinum, and GnR was on permanent rotation on MTV, with Slash playing a Les Paul in almost every take. Slash had been on the cover of every guitar magazine. At a time when everyone else was playing super strats, single handed Slash had reintroduced popularity of LPs. Slash was about to set out on one of the longest tours in history playing in front of millions of people. I read somewhere that Gibson asked Slash to pay for the guitars. They were three fairly unremarkable plain top standards, with three piece tops, in a bright orange stain. But even if they didn't ask him to pay for the guitars, you would think that they would give him better Les Pauls than those three.
Maybe they were grumpy about his Les Pauls being replicas?

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telefiend wrote:
werdna wrote: Take this example of Gibson's artist relations. In 1990 Slash went to Gibson and asked for three guitars to take on tour. This was four years after the release of Appetite, which was multi platinum, and GnR was on permanent rotation on MTV, with Slash playing a Les Paul in almost every take. Slash had been on the cover of every guitar magazine. At a time when everyone else was playing super strats, single handed Slash had reintroduced popularity of LPs. Slash was about to set out on one of the longest tours in history playing in front of millions of people. I read somewhere that Gibson asked Slash to pay for the guitars. They were three fairly unremarkable plain top standards, with three piece tops, in a bright orange stain. But even if they didn't ask him to pay for the guitars, you would think that they would give him better Les Pauls than those three.
Maybe they were grumpy about his Les Pauls being replicas?
No, I think Gibson's artist relations has always been a bit shit. Les Paul approached them long before they accepted they needed a sold body instrument, they only accepted his suggestion once the telecaster made them look out of step. Even then the LP design was not Les's, it was an in house Gibson design. Of course they changed it later to the SG shape and called it the Les Paul but they didn't consult with Les and he hated it, so later it became the SG. They have always been arrogant and dismissive of artists compared to say PRS or even Fender.
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Gibson are idiots.
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They sure do make some nice guitars, though.

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telefiend wrote:
werdna wrote:Total sales are down because guitars are getting less popular. When I was a child grown men collected electric trains or stamps. Yet today there is almost no interest in trains and stamps. If you are into those things, you look out of step with the times. Guitars are going the same way. Our hobby will be an anachronism (conspicuously old fashioned).
Pretty much. Guitars are associated with the dinosaur rock of the 70s, cock rock of the 80s, angst grunge of the 90s, and douche rock-rap-metal of the 00s. None of this stuff is widely popular anymore. And fair enough - the world was saturated with guitar-based music for a long time.
don't think we'll see that in our lifetime, can't see keyboards being the main instrument. hard to have a band that doesn't include guitar yet. People said drummers would be replaced by machines but they havn't yet
apart from brass bands or orchestras hard to thing of band without a guitar
even rappers use samples of guitar in there rhythms
top 100 songs on spotify 2018 still got guitar somewhere as a rule

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kwhelan wrote:
telefiend wrote:
werdna wrote:Total sales are down because guitars are getting less popular. When I was a child grown men collected electric trains or stamps. Yet today there is almost no interest in trains and stamps. If you are into those things, you look out of step with the times. Guitars are going the same way. Our hobby will be an anachronism (conspicuously old fashioned).
Pretty much. Guitars are associated with the dinosaur rock of the 70s, cock rock of the 80s, angst grunge of the 90s, and douche rock-rap-metal of the 00s. None of this stuff is widely popular anymore. And fair enough - the world was saturated with guitar-based music for a long time.
don't think we'll see that in our lifetime, can't see keyboards being the main instrument. hard to have a band that doesn't include guitar yet. People said drummers would be replaced by machines but they havn't yet
apart from brass bands or orchestras hard to thing of band without a guitar
even rappers use samples of guitar in there rhythms
top 100 songs on spotify 2018 still got guitar somewhere as a rule
You're kidding right?

Electronic instruments are very much the majority now - drums, synths, samples. In hip hop, rap, pop.

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telefiend wrote:
kwhelan wrote:
telefiend wrote:
Pretty much. Guitars are associated with the dinosaur rock of the 70s, cock rock of the 80s, angst grunge of the 90s, and douche rock-rap-metal of the 00s. None of this stuff is widely popular anymore. And fair enough - the world was saturated with guitar-based music for a long time.
don't think we'll see that in our lifetime, can't see keyboards being the main instrument. hard to have a band that doesn't include guitar yet. People said drummers would be replaced by machines but they havn't yet
apart from brass bands or orchestras hard to thing of band without a guitar
even rappers use samples of guitar in there rhythms
top 100 songs on spotify 2018 still got guitar somewhere as a rule
You're kidding right?

Electronic instruments are very much the majority now - drums, synths, samples. In hip hop, rap, pop.
Yeah, but not in music. ;-)

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There is a whole subculture of music us old farts aren't even aware of.

Mates son, early 20s IT guy, flats with a couple of his work mates, they have everything set up to create electronic music, which they share among mates and in online communities. Doesn't get anywhere near Spotify as they are part of the generation that doesn't pay for anything, so also doesn't look to get paid for their creativity. They're not a band, they don't perform, just make and share music. Collectively they also have zero interest in anything as analogue as a guitar.

Perhaps it was this world Gibson thought they could get into with their purchase of Cakewalk, but as Gibson does, seems they fucked that up too.
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