Exactly.Darth Sabbathi wrote: I disagree. I reckon guitars need to be worn in for their character to come through. Very new guitars almost always feel a bit sterile to me. Not to say they need to be 30 years old to be any good - but they need the show room shine taken off. Which can take quite a long time...
A new guitar is like a Dog.
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Yeah, tell me about it!Timoes wrote:I,m lucky. I can take both my dog and guitar to work. Dog every day, guitar some days. A dog is alot of work. People just dont realise.
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Only ever purchaced one new guitar. Ibanez hollow body. Can't find anything that needs improvement.
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I kinda prefer secondhand, too gutting getting that first scratch or chip on a new one...
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Someone start a, show us your dog thread. I'm guessing there'd be a lot of poodles.
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Codedog will win this by a milecrowbgood1 wrote:Someone start a, show us your dog thread. I'm guessing there'd be a lot of poodles.
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Been done already.crowbgood1 wrote:Someone start a, show us your dog thread. I'm guessing there'd be a lot of poodles.
I grew up with poodle breeders; don't get me started.
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As for guitars, I'd never buy a new Martin for instance because I won't live long enough for it to really wake up. (This having owned a Martin that is now nearly 60 years old).
I think my Strat has improved as it has become more bedraggled; certainly feels more comfortable.
The Korinacaster, which I built 7 years ago has forgotten it used to be bits of tree and has settled nicely into being a musical instrument.
The Aria 335 is by far the best built electric I've ever owned. It feels precise, finished, accurate and a bit sterile. Every now and then it shows me something it can do and they're usually WOW! moments. But we're still getting to know each other. I'm pretty sure there's a superb instrument lurking in there.
I think my Strat has improved as it has become more bedraggled; certainly feels more comfortable.
The Korinacaster, which I built 7 years ago has forgotten it used to be bits of tree and has settled nicely into being a musical instrument.
The Aria 335 is by far the best built electric I've ever owned. It feels precise, finished, accurate and a bit sterile. Every now and then it shows me something it can do and they're usually WOW! moments. But we're still getting to know each other. I'm pretty sure there's a superb instrument lurking in there.
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That's it. It's like reincarnation. The wood is still locked into its former existence as a tree until it's had enough time being treated as a guitar to realign itself to its new instrument incarnation.Slowy wrote: The Korinacaster, which I built 7 years ago has forgotten it used to be bits of tree and has settled nicely into being a musical instrument.
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I think I know what you're getting at. New guitars seem like a collection of parts whereas old guitars seem to have settled into themselves.
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Indeed and as such they require a time commitment in order to settle them in. Just think of all the newish guitars that have passed through your hands some of them for that very reason and imagine them with ten years on the clock. Just a though.Molly wrote:I think I know what you're getting at. New guitars seem like a collection of parts whereas old guitars seem to have settled into themselves.
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I've encountered this enough over the years to consider it true. The ageing debate is a complex one, and I admit much of the perception may simply be getting used to a guitar over time but there's more to it. New Martins of the '70s to late '80s were universally stiff and restrained when new. So much so that you could get amazing results by standing them in front of a stereo speaker while you were at work and vibrating them for a week or so.Dharmajester wrote:Indeed and as such they require a time commitment in order to settle them in. Just think of all the newish guitars that have passed through your hands some of them for that very reason and imagine them with ten years on the clock. Just a though.Molly wrote:I think I know what you're getting at. New guitars seem like a collection of parts whereas old guitars seem to have settled into themselves.
Then in the '90s, Martin started shipping guitars that felt much more open and relaxed. No idea what changed and I've never found any reference to it.
That said, I've encountered plenty of old Martins, Gibsons and Guilds that just felt tired and bored. Ageing isn't an automatic path to perfection.
I've stuck to talking about acoustics because I think the effects are more pronounced. And I have a lot more experience with old acoustics.
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Naa. That doesn't concern me. I've had oldish guitars that sucked and newish that didn't. But if they start out great then I can only imagine what they'd be like a decade later (for obvious reasons).Dharmajester wrote:Indeed and as such they require a time commitment in order to settle them in. Just think of all the newish guitars that have passed through your hands some of them for that very reason and imagine them with ten years on the clock. Just a though.Molly wrote:I think I know what you're getting at. New guitars seem like a collection of parts whereas old guitars seem to have settled into themselves.
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Disregarding the feel of the guitar (with playing a guitar making it feel more comfortable), and the changes to the electrics (with pot and cap values changing over time) - How does age and playing change the physical properties of the wood on an electric guitar to make it better?
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One would assume all the moisture in the wood evaporates. Blah blah physics, less water getting in the way of where air can move and resonate.
That lp you have from 1978 probably still sounds the same. The sounds cut into it haven't aged, but everything around it has been affected by time passing.
Maybe it works in reverse too.
That lp you have from 1978 probably still sounds the same. The sounds cut into it haven't aged, but everything around it has been affected by time passing.
Maybe it works in reverse too.
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