Gibson les paul or Reverend roundhouse HB

[Capt. Black]

yo ninja, id reccommend looking into slash-eds burny in the classifieds. heaps of people rave about em.

I second that opinion.

[NZ__Ninja]

yo ninja, id reccommend looking into slash-eds burny in the classifieds. heaps of people rave about em.

I second that opinion.

burny? what are they like? ive never heard of em.

[slash-ed]

They're awesome. A quick google of Burny LPs should bring up some useful results.

[Capt. Black]

The short of it is... in the 1970s just about every japanese guitar factory was making a Les Paul copy.
Ibanez, Greco and Tokai were all virtually identical in construction and build quality. particularly by '79-81.
Ibanez stopped making them when Gibson filed a lawsuit against them. Their '59er models became the PF series you sometimes see on TM these days. Slightly different body shape and headstock.
Tokai quickly changes their LP models name from "Les Paul Reborn" to Love Rock but kept the same Gibson script style and headstock shape. Somehow Tokai and Greco managed t avoid any lawsuits probably because they were only really made for sale inside Japan.
By '79 the Tokai and LP copies were pretty much as well made or even better than their equivalent Gibson models although not all of them.
Anyway at the time they were considered cheap alternatives. In recent times they've become recognised for just how good and consistently well made they are.

So the pecking order is Greco from '79 to about '85. The best most authentic copies made. '85-ish to the '90s still very very good guitars but declining popularity/availability outside Japan.
Tokai. Second only to Greco and that's in the details. Otherwise regarded as the standard by which to judge other copies. Up til late 80s all made in Japan. Later made in Korea (still bloody good value guitars) and best models made in Japan. These days the top models are so damned good but quite expensive so you might as well get a second hand Gibson.
Burny were a bit later into it but were becoming great copies from the early '80s. They were cheaper and cheaper made than Tokai and Greco. Still good very guitars but where Tokai may have had real mother of pearl inlays Burny would likely have plastic. Maybe the woods were not as high grade either and I suspect the construction is not as authentic as the Grecos.

But as LP copies go, those are the three to have.

Not sure about Greco but Tokai and Burny are still made. They good years are from '79 and the golden years are the '79-'83 period.

I have two Tokai LP STDs from '81 and a Greco Custom from '77. All very different in character/neck/body weight but all have lovely action and great construction, resonance and hardware.
I have changed the electrics and pickups on them, fitted new tuners and a nut when necessary and they all get the thumbs up from anyone who plays them.

[Miza]

But as LP copies go, those are the three to have.

So where does Edwards fit in to all of this? Did they come much later?

I'd be keen to know your opinion, you sound like you know a bit about them.

They seem like pretty good price, what's the quality like? Are they as good as Burny's?

[slash-ed]

Edwards is much later as I understand it. They're a subsidiary of ESP. Are Edwards pretty affordable? The higher end ones I've seen have been fairly pricey, and they lack the more established sort of reputation that Burny, Tokai etc enjoy.

[Miza]

Edwards is much later as I understand it. They're a subsidiary of ESP. Are Edwards pretty affordable? The higher end ones I've seen have been fairly pricey, and they lack the more established sort of reputation that Burny, Tokai etc enjoy.

The website http://www.guitarsjapan.comhas them. The E-LP98 LTS in Tobacco Sunburst is the one I've got my eye on. SD pickups, all the right kinds of woods, etc. HC gives them good user reviews.

Currently on sale for $784USD. Shipping to most places $150USD.

So it really depends on the exchange rate. And of course customs duties, I tend to forget about those.

[Miza]

Sorry, wrong site.

http://www.guitarjapan.com and click on Edwards

[slash-ed]

Hmmm. I don't reckon it's all that cheap really after you factor in exchange rate and GST.

[Miza]

Perhaps not.

Have you played them?

Are Burny's better?

[Capt. Black]

Sorry, I don't know anything about Edwards and very little about ESP. Just that if you want an LP and can't afford the real thing then the Greco/Tokai/Burny guitars are as close as you'll get in authentic replicas.

There are many other makes and models of quality guitars just as worthy.

[calling card]

My first electric guitar was a sunburst Shiro LP, anyone else remember Shiro?

[B45-12]

My first electric guitar was a sunburst Shiro LP, anyone else remember Shiro?

No - next question???

[rocklander]

My first electric guitar was a sunburst Shiro LP, anyone else remember Shiro?

Shiro Nakamura?