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Rocket Fuzz - Drive control question

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:20 pm
by Shimmer
I am currently breadboarding this very cool fuzz
http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/eff ... es/rocket/
I have so far omitted the Drive control, because when I hooked it up as shown, it didn't seem to work as expected. In fact it seemed to act more like a volume control. Is it specified correctly? I am pretty new to pedal building and cant figure out what the Drive pot is actually meant to achieve.
Cheers
Andrew

Re: Rocket Fuzz - Drive control question

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:38 pm
by Snarblinge
Did you use a 50k pot? The drive I like a pre amp volume, the first transistor is a little gain, the drive controls the level fed into the second stage, where the fun happens, hotter signal in creates more chaos, just like hotter pickups drive fuzz harder. So kinda like a volume. How does it sound without the drive control? You may have a problem in the distorting part of e circuit if the drive wasn't really working.

Re: Rocket Fuzz - Drive control question

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:46 pm
by Snarblinge
Looks like the drive was a mod that should never have been implemented. Leave it out and move on. If it sounds good box it.

Re: Rocket Fuzz - Drive control question

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:21 am
by Shimmer
Snarblinge wrote:Did you use a 50k pot? The drive I like a pre amp volume, the first transistor is a little gain, the drive controls the level fed into the second stage, where the fun happens, hotter signal in creates more chaos, just like hotter pickups drive fuzz harder. So kinda like a volume. How does it sound without the drive control? You may have a problem in the distorting part of e circuit if the drive wasn't really working.
Thanks heaps for your replies. I am currently using BC550 transitors as I cant find the 5088s that they recommend. So maybe that had something to do with it. On my breadboard version I have actually modified that part of the circuit to instead blend between the thin sounding 0.01uF capacitor and a much larger value one (a 124 - which sounds heaps fatter and nicer to my ears), using a b50K pot. So not a Drive control, but I guess something of a "Fatness" control :)

Re: Rocket Fuzz - Drive control question

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:06 am
by Snarblinge
the 2n5088 has a gain range of 300 - 900 and the bc550 100-800, so untested you may be a little low, which would explain the lack of excitement from the drive control, sounds like a tone control as you have is a better option anyway.

pictures?

Re: Rocket Fuzz - Drive control question

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:59 am
by Shimmer
Snarblinge wrote:the 2n5088 has a gain range of 300 - 900 and the bc550 100-800, so untested you may be a little low, which would explain the lack of excitement from the drive control, sounds like a tone control as you have is a better option anyway.

pictures?
Here is the bit of the breadboard where I will have to add the pot to be able to 'turn-on' the 683 capacitor. (I did add it previously but then a wire broke off, so I have to resolder it and plug it back in)

A sound clip of sorts here... first 15 secs are the 222K capacitor, the rest is the 683. I prefer it best with the neck pickup on.

Re: Rocket Fuzz - Drive control question

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:39 pm
by sizzlingbadger
You could try increasing the value of the 47K feedback resistor, it may help offset the reduced gain from the BC550's

Re: Rocket Fuzz - Drive control question

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:02 pm
by Shimmer
sizzlingbadger wrote:You could try increasing the value of the 47K feedback resistor, it may help offset the reduced gain from the BC550's
Thanks! I will give that a go. I am still very new to this stuff, and am only very slowly working out what the components do and why they are needed (or otherwise). Every time I breadboard something and it works, I feel like a wizard!

Re: Rocket Fuzz - Drive control question

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:28 pm
by Optical
The circuit looks like a slightly tweaked fuzz face (second and third transistors) and a generic unity gain input buffer (first transistor) that allows for the input volume/gain control pot.

You could connect your guitar to the input of C3 and tweak the circuit to your liking first - check out all of the fuzz face circuits and variations. Then add the input buffer and gain control back in. The input buffer isnt needed if you went with the traditional fuzzface gain control, but is needed if you want to use a knob on the pedal to control input gain rather than say the guitar volume.

Also note the tone control is only cutting high frequencies. Fuzzfaces are typically a bit of a dark sounding pedal hence no one ever bothered putting treble cut tone controls on them before. Interesting to see that here - is it much use?

Re: Rocket Fuzz - Drive control question

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:48 am
by Shimmer
Optical wrote:The circuit looks like a slightly tweaked fuzz face (second and third transistors) and a generic unity gain input buffer (first transistor) that allows for the input volume/gain control pot.

You could connect your guitar to the input of C3 and tweak the circuit to your liking first - check out all of the fuzz face circuits and variations. Then add the input buffer and gain control back in. The input buffer isnt needed if you went with the traditional fuzzface gain control, but is needed if you want to use a knob on the pedal to control input gain rather than say the guitar volume.

Also note the tone control is only cutting high frequencies. Fuzzfaces are typically a bit of a dark sounding pedal hence no one ever bothered putting treble cut tone controls on them before. Interesting to see that here - is it much use?
Thanks for that - I will try that suggestion this weekend of connecting to C3 and having a play.
The tone control seems to make a bit of a difference, but the circuit itself is not that trebley. I did play with changing around C4 (the high-end rolloff cap ?) - removing it make things quite trebley and scratchy sounding. I tried other values but ended up coming back to the 0.1uF