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Question: Tone suck problem.

I've put together a board for the Princeton. It sounds very good but further fettling is on the horizon. With everything off though, it subtracts. The amp sounds far more alive with nothing between it and the guitar. Yes I know this is a well known phenomenon except I am using exactly the same board, power supply, patch cables and pedals that were completely transparent with my gigging amps, albeit fewer and in a different configuration.

Before I waste half a day removing individual components, any insight/advice?

Slowy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 4:24 pm Question: Tone suck problem.

I've put together a board for the Princeton. It sounds very good but further fettling is on the horizon. With everything off though, it subtracts. The amp sounds far more alive with nothing between it and the guitar. Yes I know this is a well known phenomenon except I am using exactly the same board, power supply, patch cables and pedals that were completely transparent with my gigging amps, albeit fewer and in a different configuration.

Before I waste half a day removing individual components, any insight/advice?

Judicious use of buffered bypass pedals.

Or sell a kidney and get one of them fancy things from 89 Pedals or whatever it be called.

robthemac wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 4:28 pm

Slowy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 4:24 pm Question: Tone suck problem.

I've put together a board for the Princeton. It sounds very good but further fettling is on the horizon. With everything off though, it subtracts. The amp sounds far more alive with nothing between it and the guitar. Yes I know this is a well known phenomenon except I am using exactly the same board, power supply, patch cables and pedals that were completely transparent with my gigging amps, albeit fewer and in a different configuration.

Before I waste half a day removing individual components, any insight/advice?

Judicious use of buffered bypass pedals.

Or sell a kidney and get one of them fancy things from 89 Pedals or whatever it be called.

At my age, my kidneys are neither desirable nor expendable.

robthemac wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 4:28 pm

Slowy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 4:24 pm Question: Tone suck problem.

I've put together a board for the Princeton. It sounds very good but further fettling is on the horizon. With everything off though, it subtracts. The amp sounds far more alive with nothing between it and the guitar. Yes I know this is a well known phenomenon except I am using exactly the same board, power supply, patch cables and pedals that were completely transparent with my gigging amps, albeit fewer and in a different configuration.

Before I waste half a day removing individual components, any insight/advice?

Judicious use of buffered bypass pedals.

Or sell a kidney and get one of them fancy things from 89 Pedals or whatever it be called.

Mate, at our age our kidneys work overtime, especially at night it seems

Slowy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 4:24 pm Question: Tone suck problem.

I've put together a board for the Princeton. It sounds very good but further fettling is on the horizon. With everything off though, it subtracts. The amp sounds far more alive with nothing between it and the guitar. Yes I know this is a well known phenomenon except I am using exactly the same board, power supply, patch cables and pedals that were completely transparent with my gigging amps, albeit fewer and in a different configuration.

Before I waste half a day removing individual components, any insight/advice?

Boss tuner, solved my issues.

Actually not using pedals and going back to the pod go has solved all my issues currently. But buffered tuner certainly made a difference.

Playing with the Flint into the Princeton this morning was interesting. I can make the Flint sound exactly like the Princeton's reverb and trem; I wouldn't bet on my ability to tell them apart in a blind test. But the Flint can do so much more. This is especially useful when you want reverb that doesn't make you feel you're drowning. Fender tube reverb is lovely, but there's an awful lot of it and sometimes a sheen of plate is better suited to the occasion.

So the Flint's a keeper then.

And the Eastman finally got a turn. The bottom end of humbuckers can really give a little Jensen a fright! Dial everything back and the beauty returns.
And yes Ants, it really is the perfect lounge amp.

One of the pedals you took off may have had a buffer, which makes your signal more suitable for traveling through pedals and patch cables.

So… I’d consider myself fairly experienced with playing thru fender fender amps. Especially single coils. I use some sort of transparent boost 100% of the time. Not sure if that would help here.
Fulltone fat boost has been working very nicely for me.
Agree re: onboard fender reverb as getting overwhelmingly washy.
I use a subtle amount of drippy outboard reverb. And when I say subtle I mean absolutely not subtle.

What patch cables are you using? and quality buffers are always a necessity.

Have you checked the oil?
Tried turning it on and off ?
Is it flashing blue when you try to pair ?

jeremyb wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:33 pm What patch cables are you using? and quality buffers are always a necessity.

My patch leads are Lava cable with Switchcraft plugs.

Slowy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 5:35 pm

jeremyb wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:33 pm What patch cables are you using? and quality buffers are always a necessity.

My patch leads are Lava cable with Switchcraft plugs.

Thats good, I always re-check cables before putting a new board together, resistance from tip to tip and sleeve to sleeve should be zero, and tip to sleeve on each end should not register

A couple of good mates. The observant will notice the new Fender Badge courtesy of Strummers; thank you mate!
And Grant, if you want to open a discourse on hypocrisy, I will hang my head and be silent.

Looks like it should

Slowy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:01 pm 20231124_171642.jpg

A couple of good mates. The observant will notice the new Fender Badge courtesy of Strummers; thank you mate!
And Grant, if you want to open a discourse on hypocrisy, I will hang my head and be silent.

Now we're talking! You did not let me down, Bruce