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Timi wrote:I know what you are trying to say, I just think its silly. As silly as saying my cat has a 10 watt meow, my scream is 25 watts, and I can do a mean 5 watt fart.

The actual SPL output of a "400 watt speaker" can differ wildly. Its the SPL that you should be looking at rather than ambiguous power ratings, and I very much doubt a drum kit can put out over 150dB.
I was trying to put some non technical power terms into it
If they are playing in a garage with a drum kit they will need a certain level of power to overcome the noise from the drums or the drum kit will totally dominate everything

But hey what do I know I only own a sound company I haven't got time to argue over semantics a snare on it's own is around 135-137 db then add in all the rest

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nzsimon1 wrote:But hey what do I know I only own a sound company I haven't got time to argue over semantics a snare on it's own is around 135-137 db then add in all the rest
go on, get all technical on his ass :wink: :P :P
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nzsimon1 wrote: But hey what do I know I only own a sound company
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Hehe sorry, just giving you a hard time, to the OP you should listen to simon first and foremost, he's had lots of experience with this stuff

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if a snare is belted in a forest...

does it add up that way anyway?

if a snare is 110dB
and a kick is 100dB

then together they are 210dB or 110dB

i would say 110dB
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sgt mukuzi wrote:if a snare is belted in a forest...
... the person that belted it would hear it :P
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Ironbird13 wrote:
sgt mukuzi wrote:if a snare is belted in a forest...
... the person that belted it would hear it :P
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sgt mukuzi wrote:if a snare is belted in a forest...

does it add up that way anyway?

if a snare is 110dB
and a kick is 100dB

then together they are 210dB or 110dB

i would say 110dB
they don't add up exponentially you are right they also are not hit all at the same time

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I'd believe 400w+ to keep up with the drummer. Our practice PA is 2x250W powered speakers and only has vocals through it. I don't really have to hit _that_ hard to drown out the vocals... The PA is usually around 8 when we practice. Our gigging PA was 900W and that struggled... YMMV

I would say your cheapest option would be a small mixer and couple of powered speakers. B52 Matrix or some Tapco kit maybe... You'd be struggling with $500 tho.
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zdali wrote:I'd believe 400w+ to keep up with the drummer. Our practice PA is 2x250W powered speakers and only has vocals through it. I don't really have to hit _that_ hard to drown out the vocals... The PA is usually around 8 when we practice. Our gigging PA was 900W and that struggled... YMMV

I would say your cheapest option would be a small mixer and couple of powered speakers. B52 Matrix or some Tapco kit maybe... You'd be struggling with $500 tho.
in our band I've played with ~4 drummers of varying strengths/loudness. We have a foldback system (which is not far different from what you say you're looking for) and we have a 31band eq/feedback eliminator and a crown 200+200 watt slave (and a wee mixer) for this purpose alone (not our front of house) and have rarely driven it past ½ way, and that's only on one side (200W).

if you consider buying a PA that is largely going to be used as foldback for yourselves then it could be killing two birds with one stone.
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We use a 400w active speaker (Skytec cheapy) just does the job, have volume on half( get feedback over that) it has 2 mic inputs and a RCA input and 2 of them can be joined in stereo(which will give 4 mic inputs) mic inputs are jack inputs

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Thanks for all the advice guys, we are going with the active speaker option - one of those Skytecs from Surplustronics, no less. Next little question is regard the little mixer we want: we don't have any experience with this sort of equipment - are there compatibility issues? Like x mixer for x speaker? Or is it pretty much get anything and plug it in?
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Stormbringer wrote:Thanks for all the advice guys, we are going with the active speaker option - one of those Skytecs from Surplustronics, no less. Next little question is regard the little mixer we want: we don't have any experience with this sort of equipment - are there compatibility issues? Like x mixer for x speaker? Or is it pretty much get anything and plug it in?
any passive mixer should do. inserts and the like are worth considering if you're talking FOH but since it's just to hear yourselves it may not be worth worrying about.
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For practice anything would do, like a behringer would be fine. I've used all sorts of random odds and sods mixers and they've been just fine. PLus you can get mixers so cheaply on trademe, I picked up a Mackie 8 channel for $400. So there's no need to spend large on the mixer!

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