Can a 'clean platform' amp replace an overdriven amp?

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Re: Can a 'clean platform' amp replace an overdriven amp?

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Bg wrote:
StratMatt wrote:Even the modellers sound better loud. Not because the tone changes but everything just sounds better loud.
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At low listening volumes – mid range frequencies sound more prominent, while the low and high frequency ranges seem to fall into the background.
At high listening volumes – the lows and highs sound more prominent, while the mid range seems comparatively softer.
Yeah this. Hence the 'loud' button on stereos for low listening volumes (boosts highs and lows) and the 'bright' input on amps, for compensating when quieter.

And tubes sound better when they're cooking. 8)
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Re: Can a 'clean platform' amp replace an overdriven amp?

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so basically, playing quiet? Scoop those mids - the smiley eq is your best friend ;)
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Re: Can a 'clean platform' amp replace an overdriven amp?

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to be fair Phils tone has always been horrible :rofl:
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Re: Can a 'clean platform' amp replace an overdriven amp?

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Re: Can a 'clean platform' amp replace an overdriven amp?

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Cab plays a big difference too. Never heard an open back 1x12 sound as good as a 4x12 in terms of heavy rock at volume. YMMV

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Re: Can a 'clean platform' amp replace an overdriven amp?

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Miza wrote:Molly, maybe an attenuator is what you need? Get the tubes cooking, at bedroom-friendly volumes?
I run a Swart on my 5E3 clone for just this reason.

Does the job well.
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Re: Can a 'clean platform' amp replace an overdriven amp?

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Molly wrote:
Miza wrote:Molly, maybe an attenuator is what you need? Get the tubes cooking, at bedroom-friendly volumes?
The Two Rock has a really useful loop level that allows you to crank the amp but rein it back in. Just not sure if you're really supposed to use it in that way. I've played it loud a couple of times. Fuck, it sounds good. :-)
That only lets you crank the preamp tho', the real magic is in the power amp crankage (apparently...)
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Re: Can a 'clean platform' amp replace an overdriven amp?

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jeremyb wrote:That only lets you crank the preamp tho', the real magic is in the power amp crankage (apparently...)
If you play grandad amps then yeah to a certain degree, although you're mostly hearing the PI distorting instead of power tubes. It sounds glorious mainly because it's fucking LOUD haha.

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