Achieving a saturated and sustaining clean tone?
Moderators: Slowy, Capt. Black
- Reg18
- Vintage Post Junkie
- Posts: 3657
- meble-kuchenne.warszawa.pl
- Joined: Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:57 pm
- Has liked: 312 times
- Been liked: 928 times
Achieving a saturated and sustaining clean tone?
Having gone to digital amps (Yamaha TH100HD) at church I’m liking it but still struggling to get the feel right.
Now I will say the amp actually feels better when running through a cab but we are loading cab sims and going direct with in ears.
I think I have narrowed it down to the fact the amp doesn’t saturate or compress the same. The sound is super clean and punchy but doesn’t feel or sound quite right. If you wind up the gain it saturates better but suddenly all my drive pedals have way to much gain.
I have my Diamond Compressor always on and wound up significantly more than when using my tube amp.
Do I need a more tweakable compressor?
Maybe a midrange pedal (TS or Klon) to give the amp some saturation but with out too much gain?
Looking for a saturated with good sustain clean tone.
Now I will say the amp actually feels better when running through a cab but we are loading cab sims and going direct with in ears.
I think I have narrowed it down to the fact the amp doesn’t saturate or compress the same. The sound is super clean and punchy but doesn’t feel or sound quite right. If you wind up the gain it saturates better but suddenly all my drive pedals have way to much gain.
I have my Diamond Compressor always on and wound up significantly more than when using my tube amp.
Do I need a more tweakable compressor?
Maybe a midrange pedal (TS or Klon) to give the amp some saturation but with out too much gain?
Looking for a saturated with good sustain clean tone.
- Slowy
- Vintage Post Junkie
- Posts: 22638
- Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:13 pm
- Location: Orcland
- Has liked: 1011 times
- Been liked: 2466 times
Re: Achieving a saturated and sustaining clean tone?
I have 3 versions of the Klon. If you expect them to add no gain, you will be disappointed.Reg18 wrote: Maybe a midrange pedal (TS or Klon) to give the amp some saturation but with out too much gain?
That said, the J Rocket Archer Gold would be the closest.
Honestly, it sounds to me like you need a compressed Blackface circuit turned up loud.
Which is probably not what you want to hear.
Beyond a critical point within a finite space, freedom diminishes as numbers increase. This is as true of humans as it is of gas molecules in a sealed flask. The human question is not how many can possibly survive within the system, but what kind of existence is possible for those who so survive.
- Reg18
- Vintage Post Junkie
- Posts: 3657
- Joined: Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:57 pm
- Has liked: 312 times
- Been liked: 928 times
Re: Achieving a saturated and sustaining clean tone?
I’m sure I’d love a Blackface up loud!Slowy wrote:I have 3 versions of the Klon. If you expect them to add no gain, you will be disappointed.Reg18 wrote: Maybe a midrange pedal (TS or Klon) to give the amp some saturation but with out too much gain?
That said, the J Rocket Archer Gold would be the closest.
Honestly, it sounds to me like you need a compressed Blackface circuit turned up loud.
Which is probably not what you want to hear.
My 5e3 is great, even when set low and clean it saturates nicely. It’s trying to achieve the same thing through the digital rig that’s causing me some issues.
- jeremyb
- Chorus of Organs
- Posts: 40890
- Joined: Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:03 am
- Has liked: 7692 times
- Been liked: 4159 times
Re: Achieving a saturated and sustaining clean tone?
Pigtronix philosophers tone might get you there better than the diamond, but what I'd be trying is adding a really short analog delay plus a really short digital delay, and seeing how that sounds
Slowy wrote: That's the problem; everything rewarding is just such hard work. Regret takes much less effort.
- willow13
- Vintage Post Junkie
- Posts: 14558
- Joined: Sun Dec 19, 2004 2:36 pm
- Location: If less is more then just think how much more more is
- Has liked: 372 times
- Been liked: 634 times
Re: Achieving a saturated and sustaining clean tone?
the best clean tone has a shit load of gain on it
If Less is More Then Just Think How Much More More would be
- bender
- Darth Fader
- Posts: 11838
- Joined: Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:46 pm
- Location: Dorkland
- Has liked: 415 times
- Been liked: 1010 times
Re: Achieving a saturated and sustaining clean tone?
Wait, what?Slowy wrote: I have 3 versions of the Klon
- philly
- Vintage Post Junkie
- Posts: 1428
- Joined: Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:47 pm
- Location: Dunedin
- Has liked: 146 times
- Been liked: 126 times
Re: Achieving a saturated and sustaining clean tone?
give up church altogether?
“Millions long for immortality who don’t know what to do with themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon.”
- Reg18
- Vintage Post Junkie
- Posts: 3657
- Joined: Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:57 pm
- Has liked: 312 times
- Been liked: 928 times
Re: Achieving a saturated and sustaining clean tone?
Well you might be on to something, but although Christians can be the most judgmental annoying people around, I haven’t found a better solution that doesn’t involve me starting my own thing!philly wrote:give up church altogether?
I’m starting to wonder if the whole journey was meant to be learning to get along with people you don’t like or who view things differently to you (mainly talking about other Christians here).....but we had better keep this thread non religious or the moderators will be along shortly.
Back on topic, if I had the money I think this would fit the breif.
http://jackson.audio/bloom/
Re: Achieving a saturated and sustaining clean tone?
Might be a stupid question, but is there any reason why it needs to be digital Reg? Sounds like an obvious answer to your issues would be to switch to an amp with some warm glowing glass in it.
- higainer
- Vintage Post Junkie
- Posts: 1160
- Joined: Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:10 pm
- Location: Auckland
- Has liked: 50 times
- Been liked: 61 times
Re: Achieving a saturated and sustaining clean tone?
Back on topic, if I had the money I think this would fit the breif.
http://jackson.audio/bloom/[/quote]
Initial the title of your thread threw me.
Never heard of a saturated clean before.
You had be talking about feel & sustain.
Obviously a tube amp with the power section cooking will get you there.
However that bloom pedal seems to be the silver bullet.
http://jackson.audio/bloom/[/quote]
Initial the title of your thread threw me.
Never heard of a saturated clean before.
You had be talking about feel & sustain.
Obviously a tube amp with the power section cooking will get you there.
However that bloom pedal seems to be the silver bullet.
- Lawrence
- Vintage Post Junkie
- Posts: 1485
- Joined: Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:00 pm
- Location: Beta Canum Venaticorum
- Has liked: 37 times
- Been liked: 605 times
Re: Achieving a saturated and sustaining clean tone?
The lack of on stage direct speaker to guitar feedback is probably at the heart of this. Are you happy with the unplugged tone? This may sound silly but some guitars seem to bloom their own - some don't.
...and without wanting to start modelling wars - the Fender Deluxe model in the Helix has the qualities you seem to desire.Its one of the most popular models of all and used by many a converted tweed snob.
...and without wanting to start modelling wars - the Fender Deluxe model in the Helix has the qualities you seem to desire.Its one of the most popular models of all and used by many a converted tweed snob.
GrantB wrote:
“You might be cool, but you’ll never be playing a white Steinberger through a JC120, wearing a white jumpsuit with white shoes and sporting a mullet cool”.
“You might be cool, but you’ll never be playing a white Steinberger through a JC120, wearing a white jumpsuit with white shoes and sporting a mullet cool”.
- kdawg2a
- Vintage Post Junkie
- Posts: 3361
- Joined: Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:28 pm
- Location: U S and A
- Has liked: 239 times
- Been liked: 1040 times
Re: Achieving a saturated and sustaining clean tone?
You totally should start your own thing. I'd go to that. This also means from now on we call you Rev Reg...Reg18 wrote:Well you might be on to something, but although Christians can be the most judgmental annoying people around, I haven’t found a better solution that doesn’t involve me starting my own thing!philly wrote:give up church altogether?
I’m starting to wonder if the whole journey was meant to be learning to get along with people you don’t like or who view things differently to you (mainly talking about other Christians here).....but we had better keep this thread non religious or the moderators will be along shortly.
Back on topic, if I had the money I think this would fit the breif.
http://jackson.audio/bloom/
1935 Martin D-45, 1942 Gibson Southern Jumbo,1950 Fender Broadcaster, 1954 Fender Strat, 1958 Gibson Moderne prototype, 1959 Gibson Les Paul Standard.
1958 Fender twin, 1965 Vox AC30, 1966 Marshall JTM 45, 1977 Dumble OD Special.
Big black garbage bag full of original Klon Centaurs and TS808s.
1958 Fender twin, 1965 Vox AC30, 1966 Marshall JTM 45, 1977 Dumble OD Special.
Big black garbage bag full of original Klon Centaurs and TS808s.
- Reg18
- Vintage Post Junkie
- Posts: 3657
- Joined: Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:57 pm
- Has liked: 312 times
- Been liked: 928 times
Re: Achieving a saturated and sustaining clean tone?
totally agree and I have using an amp with warm glowing glass for the last 8 years at church however the powers at be have decided that we aren’t alowed (or a loud) amps on stage anymore and invested in digital amps instead of radial sgi boxes meaning basically I need find a way to make this digital rig work and keep my tube amp for home use. I must say listening to the full stereo capabilities of the Timeline and Bigsky in my in ears panned hard left and right is something new and almost worth the compromise.Mini Forklift Ⓥ wrote:Might be a stupid question, but is there any reason why it needs to be digital Reg? Sounds like an obvious answer to your issues would be to switch to an amp with some warm glowing glass in it.
- Cdog
- Vintage Post Junkie
- Posts: 4363
- Joined: Wed Feb 07, 2007 3:01 pm
- Location: Christchurch
- Has liked: 3465 times
- Been liked: 711 times