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KNNZ wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 7:26 am coincidentally I've been GASsing for a AC15 handwired model, Music Planet has got Black November sale going and this seems to be an okay price?
https://www.musicplanet.co.nz/vox-ac15h ... n-spk.html
I'm pretty sure back in the day when I got my AC15 the handwired ones were about that sale price...
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Maybe we've the low volume, boutique builders to thank for the betterment of corporation amp quality? Not only in challenge to an aspect of market-share, but in the pushing up of price acceptability in the market (education?), and, their R+D to refine tone recipes (externality). If a corporate amp exec can poach some of the R+D found in the more market successful boutique builds and make further margin due to factory scale, then making better amp offerings to the market can happen at a lower price point, whilst having a higher, more exclusive brand offering above that again that can go head-to-head with the indie, boutique dudes.

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Oh those are superb,
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I have a theory that once they all played a Katana they basically lost the will to build amps any more. It was just too good!
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clubhouse wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:01 am Maybe we've the low volume, boutique builders to thank for the betterment of corporation amp quality? Not only in challenge to an aspect of market-share, but in the pushing up of price acceptability in the market (education?), and, their R+D to refine tone recipes (externality). If a corporate amp exec can poach some of the R+D found in the more market successful boutique builds and make further margin due to factory scale, then making better amp offerings to the market can happen at a lower price point, whilst having a higher, more exclusive brand offering above that again that can go head-to-head with the indie, boutique dudes.
It has been a strange time in big-name tube amps recently. Fender seem to have gone all-in re: modelling and not introduced anything vaguely interesting otherwise. Marshall are sensibly targeting the lower-wattage market with the Studio series. Mesa have introduced two of my favourite amps of all time (Cali Tweed and Filmore) but their "modern" offerings are all quite uninspiring. It feels like the market is moving away from big wattage, but it's hard for many players to spend big money on an "only" 20W tube amp.

We need another Auckland/Northland gearfest. I miss the warmth of tubes and unshowered men in crowded rooms.
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robthemac wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:12 pm
clubhouse wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:01 am Maybe we've the low volume, boutique builders to thank for the betterment of corporation amp quality? Not only in challenge to an aspect of market-share, but in the pushing up of price acceptability in the market (education?), and, their R+D to refine tone recipes (externality). If a corporate amp exec can poach some of the R+D found in the more market successful boutique builds and make further margin due to factory scale, then making better amp offerings to the market can happen at a lower price point, whilst having a higher, more exclusive brand offering above that again that can go head-to-head with the indie, boutique dudes.
It has been a strange time in big-name tube amps recently. Fender seem to have gone all-in re: modelling and not introduced anything vaguely interesting otherwise. Marshall are sensibly targeting the lower-wattage market with the Studio series. Mesa have introduced two of my favourite amps of all time (Cali Tweed and Filmore) but their "modern" offerings are all quite uninspiring. It feels like the market is moving away from big wattage, but it's hard for many players to spend big money on an "only" 20W tube amp.

We need another Auckland/Northland gearfest. I miss the warmth of tubes and unshowered men in crowded rooms.
Hiwatt still has big wattage for big money.

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keen for a Auckland gearfest but only over the next school holidays please
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KNNZ wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:51 pm keen for a Auckland gearfest but only over the next school holidays please

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Summer or end of first term?

Also thoughts on that Two Rock?
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robthemac wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:55 pm
KNNZ wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:51 pm keen for a Auckland gearfest but only over the next school holidays please

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Summer or end of first term?

Also thoughts on that Two Rock?
end of December or January

Fendery tones but thiccc fendery tones, more warmth, works great with single coils, P90s, Jazzmaster style pickups, but for humbuckers I find I need an EQ pedal to make it less bassy/boomy if that makes sense

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KNNZ wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 2:37 pm
robthemac wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:55 pm
KNNZ wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:51 pm keen for a Auckland gearfest but only over the next school holidays please

revtworock.JPG
Summer or end of first term?

Also thoughts on that Two Rock?
end of December or January

Fendery tones but thiccc fendery tones, more warmth, works great with single coils, P90s, Jazzmaster style pickups, but for humbuckers I find I need an EQ pedal to make it less bassy/boomy if that makes sense
Sounds like the Cali Tweed. How much of the toan is in the speaker and cab, do you think?
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robthemac wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 2:38 pm
KNNZ wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 2:37 pm
robthemac wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:55 pm

Summer or end of first term?

Also thoughts on that Two Rock?
end of December or January

Fendery tones but thiccc fendery tones, more warmth, works great with single coils, P90s, Jazzmaster style pickups, but for humbuckers I find I need an EQ pedal to make it less bassy/boomy if that makes sense
Sounds like the Cali Tweed. How much of the toan is in the speaker and cab, do you think?
That's a good question, I don't have the answer to that yet, I do have another cab with V30s so maybe i could swap cabs and see if the toan changes, but when I have some free time!!

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robthemac wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:12 pm
clubhouse wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:01 am Maybe we've the low volume, boutique builders to thank for the betterment of corporation amp quality? Not only in challenge to an aspect of market-share, but in the pushing up of price acceptability in the market (education?), and, their R+D to refine tone recipes (externality). If a corporate amp exec can poach some of the R+D found in the more market successful boutique builds and make further margin due to factory scale, then making better amp offerings to the market can happen at a lower price point, whilst having a higher, more exclusive brand offering above that again that can go head-to-head with the indie, boutique dudes.
We need another Auckland/Northland gearfest. I miss the warmth of tubes and unshowered men in crowded rooms.
I pulled my 9 pounder out today for a testdrive
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Jay wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 3:36 pm
robthemac wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:12 pm
clubhouse wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:01 am Maybe we've the low volume, boutique builders to thank for the betterment of corporation amp quality? Not only in challenge to an aspect of market-share, but in the pushing up of price acceptability in the market (education?), and, their R+D to refine tone recipes (externality). If a corporate amp exec can poach some of the R+D found in the more market successful boutique builds and make further margin due to factory scale, then making better amp offerings to the market can happen at a lower price point, whilst having a higher, more exclusive brand offering above that again that can go head-to-head with the indie, boutique dudes.
We need another Auckland/Northland gearfest. I miss the warmth of tubes and unshowered men in crowded rooms.
I pulled my 9 pounder out today for a testdrive
Jay, mate; nobody needs to know that.
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Slowy wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 3:46 pm
Jay wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 3:36 pm
robthemac wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:12 pm

We need another Auckland/Northland gearfest. I miss the warmth of tubes and unshowered men in crowded rooms.
I pulled my 9 pounder out today for a testdrive
Jay, mate; nobody needs to know that.
You can get arrested for that.
Jops wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:46 am Spring is the comic sans of reverbs anyway.

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robthemac wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 3:47 pm
Slowy wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 3:46 pm
Jay wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 3:36 pm

I pulled my 9 pounder out today for a testdrive
Jay, mate; nobody needs to know that.
You can get arrested for that.
You guys, what were you thinking? 9 pound Gibson I was talking about
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