Maybe not too fucking hard for me after all
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Maybe not too fucking hard for me after all
Ok, I've ambitiously decided to try to install some Fishman Fluence pickups into a Strandberg today. I reckon if I totally balls it up, then Glyn can fix it later but it seems like a good project.
Where I'm absolutely stuck is how to wire up these pickups to the damn 5 way selector switch. This is because the Fluence pickups are active, and you don't wire them up in the same way as you would a 4 connector hum bucker.
The 5 way factory wiring for the Strandberg goes:
Switch positions:
1 - Bridge HB
2 - Bridge HB + Neck outer coil (in parallel)
3 - Bridge HB + Neck outer coil (in parallel), in series with the Neck inner coil
4 - Neck inner coil
5 - Neck HB
I understand that the Fishman can't run in series (at least in relation to its outer vs inner coils). So I'm thinking the following setup:
Switch positions:
1 - Bridge HB
2 - Bridge HB plus Neck tap (in parallel) - or would this be more useful as just Bridge tap (I like the Bridge HB + Neck tap setting as it currently is tho)
3 - Bridge HB plus Neck HB (in parallel)
4 - Neck tap
5 - Neck HB
Firstly, any comments to that setup?
Secondly, how the fuck do I wire up a 5 way switch for this with the FIshmans? Important note You don't tap the Fishmans like you do normal 4 wire HBs; see diagram at https://www.fishman.com/wp-content/uplo ... apping.pdf - so it would seem (if I went for inner coils when I tap) that I need to find a way to wire a specific connection from neck pickup to ground for the switch's middle pole.
Thirdly, any comments over using inner vs outer coils?
FYI, the reasons I'm not using a push/pull to activate coil tap are:
- I'd rather use the 5 way switch as that's more natural to me while I'm playing;
- I'm going to use a push/pull on the volume pot to switch between pickup voices 1 and 2; and
- I can't do a second push/pull due to physical constraints inside the guitar (just doesn't fit where the tone pot goes).
Where I'm absolutely stuck is how to wire up these pickups to the damn 5 way selector switch. This is because the Fluence pickups are active, and you don't wire them up in the same way as you would a 4 connector hum bucker.
The 5 way factory wiring for the Strandberg goes:
Switch positions:
1 - Bridge HB
2 - Bridge HB + Neck outer coil (in parallel)
3 - Bridge HB + Neck outer coil (in parallel), in series with the Neck inner coil
4 - Neck inner coil
5 - Neck HB
I understand that the Fishman can't run in series (at least in relation to its outer vs inner coils). So I'm thinking the following setup:
Switch positions:
1 - Bridge HB
2 - Bridge HB plus Neck tap (in parallel) - or would this be more useful as just Bridge tap (I like the Bridge HB + Neck tap setting as it currently is tho)
3 - Bridge HB plus Neck HB (in parallel)
4 - Neck tap
5 - Neck HB
Firstly, any comments to that setup?
Secondly, how the fuck do I wire up a 5 way switch for this with the FIshmans? Important note You don't tap the Fishmans like you do normal 4 wire HBs; see diagram at https://www.fishman.com/wp-content/uplo ... apping.pdf - so it would seem (if I went for inner coils when I tap) that I need to find a way to wire a specific connection from neck pickup to ground for the switch's middle pole.
Thirdly, any comments over using inner vs outer coils?
FYI, the reasons I'm not using a push/pull to activate coil tap are:
- I'd rather use the 5 way switch as that's more natural to me while I'm playing;
- I'm going to use a push/pull on the volume pot to switch between pickup voices 1 and 2; and
- I can't do a second push/pull due to physical constraints inside the guitar (just doesn't fit where the tone pot goes).
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Re: Too fucking hard for me - wiring question please!
Have you got a super switch? Because I don’t think you can do what you’re after with a normal 5 way
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Re: Too fucking hard for me - wiring question please!
No (not yet). And that was the view I had also reached but hoped for someone more knowledgeable than me to know a solution!TmcB wrote:Have you got a super switch? Because I don’t think you can do what you’re after with a normal 5 way
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Re: Too fucking hard for me - wiring question please!
Fancy shit requires a superswitch.
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I empathise, but there’s not much else I can do to help
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Right, after a full day getting my head around this project, shopping for necessary components, and a shit-ton of soldering and re-soldering, it would seem that I have succeeded.
This is one VERY full guitar cavity now, between the increased sized components (super switch, push/pull pots on both volume and tone), all the wires and a 9V battery but it all seems to work, including the push/pull switching of the frequency shift and voicing on command plus the coil tapped neck outer for position 2 and inner for position 4.
Got there in the end. Loving the sound so far, but haven't had the chance to crank it yet.
This is one VERY full guitar cavity now, between the increased sized components (super switch, push/pull pots on both volume and tone), all the wires and a 9V battery but it all seems to work, including the push/pull switching of the frequency shift and voicing on command plus the coil tapped neck outer for position 2 and inner for position 4.
Got there in the end. Loving the sound so far, but haven't had the chance to crank it yet.
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Re: Maybe not too fucking hard for me after all
Yeeeeeeeeeeee
werdna wrote:Well at least I can still make toast in the bath without anyone telling me it's unsafe.
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Re: Maybe not too fucking hard for me after all
We like to see a full cavity photo please...
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Just don't ask JB to take the photojvpp wrote:We like to see a full cavity photo please...
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Re: Maybe not too fucking hard for me after all
Kiwiaxe wrote:Right, after a full day getting my head around this project, shopping for necessary components, and a shit-ton of soldering and re-soldering, it would seem that I have succeeded.
This is one VERY full guitar cavity now, between the increased sized components (super switch, push/pull pots on both volume and tone), all the wires and a 9V battery but it all seems to work, including the push/pull switching of the frequency shift and voicing on command plus the coil tapped neck outer for position 2 and inner for position 4.
Got there in the end. Loving the sound so far, but haven't had the chance to crank it yet.
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Don’t know how to embed but here’s a photo of my cavity. Ooh err. Not the tidiest but frankly with that many wires I’m not sure how I could have made it tidier!
https://imgur.com/gallery/U8qvJ
https://imgur.com/gallery/U8qvJ
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Re: Maybe not too fucking hard for me after all
Nowt rong wi' dat!Kiwiaxe wrote:Don’t know how to embed but here’s a photo of my cavity. Ooh err. Not the tidiest but frankly with that many wires I’m not sure how I could have made it tidier!
https://imgur.com/gallery/U8qvJ
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Re: Maybe not too fucking hard for me after all
Nah man that’s a pretty tidy effort
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