But you do because I did you the service of listening and I had one of those WTF?! moments. Where as I watch and listen to some of those youtube kids or the clips collections of shredders and they're very impressive but the only thing that holds my interest after 10-20 seconds is the hair styles, gurning, paint job on the guitar, out of place band members and so on.Tsuken wrote:Cool post, Capn. (and thanks for the kind words - even if I'm not sure I deserve them).
Yeah absolutely. People owe it to themselves to take an interest in what others are doing in their chosen field. On one level there is the picking up of knowledge. More importantly you have to be able to just sit back and enjoy it for what it is.Anyway, I agree in principle - in some situations. Perhaps most situations in fact.The only major difference is a personal thing; that I like hearing stupidly technical guitar-playing. If someone's playing them fast/cleanly enough, with enough attitude, I can even enjoy listening to scales
We don't need no stinking context
I know exactly what you're saying about complementing the rest of the music - and also making the lead a bit of a journey itself, rather than just 1/2 million 64th note triplets
Most of my working life has been in the photo industry and a lot of the time I am looking at stuff and going, I can do better. There are people who rate me as a star in the stuff I do. There are guys who absolutely floor me. As I get older I have to make a greater effort to just look at a photo and enjoy it for what it is, and what it says and stop trying to analyse the lighting, what camera, what was done in the darkroom or Photoshop etc.
But if the Photoshop tricks are so obvious or contrived that they overwhelm the content of the photo or worse still, they are the content then I'm lost in the first 10 seconds.
The POV of my original post is that of a 'can't do'. The POV of a 'can do' will be and should be very different. The reasons for enjoying the music are naturally valid either way.
btw, I know there's no point to my ramblings. I'm too old (or at least feeling so at the moment) to bother making points.
Agreed! It's too early in the day for this shit. I can't stay on track. The record version is very different. But I could totally understand if you or others could pick holes in Page's technique or skill. Back in them days he was the best by far and took guitar playing into totally uncharted territory. Compared to many players since EHV and Vai, Page now sounds sloppy and loose but he's got a lot of soul. Which is an ironic thing to say because in the day he was accused of having no soul (Black Magic obsessions aside) compared to guys like Clapton and Hendrix.One point I have to disagree with you on though is the solo for Since I've Been Loving You.I've never understood why people hold it up as an example of good playing. If the studio recording is wildly different, please enlighten me.
No, the whole point is the song itself, the chords, the tempo the key changes and the notes page finds, Plant's vocals, all create a vehicle for the solo and one without the other is a very unsatisfying thing. Like an empty party bus. Together they're exquisite. Sublime. Technical stuff aside for a moment and learn something from the songcraft.
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