Definitions on tone

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Capt. Black wrote:Yeah me too.

There's obviously that move away from overdriven to cleaner and cleaner amps during the 60s for Fender. And I guess in my mind, as with many people, Fender is identified with that CLEAN.

My mate has a '63 Showman head which resided here for about a year. Was one of those funny transition models that Fender used to do to use up stuff in the warehouse. Black Face amp, facia and controls in a Blond cabinet. Some nice ciggie burns on it too. Supposed to be about 85watts but didn't seem to get anywhere near that. Was virtually impossible to overdrive. But had the most beautiful warm rounded tone.
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I remember seeing that and having lustful thoughts. Is it reborrowable? -I regret not hassling you for a blat.

One of the reasons that amp was nowhere near 85w was that blonde and blackface bandmasters were only rated at 40w.
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Capt. Black wrote:Oh yeah and there's so little of that era fender here because of the mighty import duties of those days. That sort of paved the way for jansen to do so well with look-a-likes (if not sound a-likes) and I forget who it was but Fender twins were assembled in NZ under license for years.
It was somewhere either near Welly or in the Hawkes Bay. Someone on here will know. Locally-made twin-spotting was a standard skill for a guitar shop employee back when I was a kid. Those local twins were not well respected back then. Of course they probably have a following nowadays from 'anything old is good/vintage' folk, the same people that lust after lead-heavy 70s strats with wobbly neck joints and 2in poly finishes...
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Showman not Bandmaster.

http://www.ampwares.com/amp.asp?id=85

Like twin without the reverb or the speakers built in.

And I'm sure I can tee up a blat for you some time.

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Capt. Black wrote:Showman not Bandmaster.

http://www.ampwares.com/amp.asp?id=85

Like twin without the reverb or the speakers built in.

And I'm sure I can tee up a blat for you some time.
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Oooh look.
http://www.ampwares.com/amp.asp?id=84
It's exactly like the one on top but with ciggie burn marks.

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"Woody" makes me think of a particular sound you get from a les paul with a moderate amount of distortion on it, which gives me a mental picture of a big piece of wood creaking. Ultimate example is the ascending chromatic bit at the end of Led Zep "Living Loving Maid" solo, that "ka-chunk ka-chunk ka-chunk" sound.
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Some Bozo wrote:"Woody" makes me think of a particular sound you get from a les paul with a moderate amount of distortion on it, which gives me a mental picture of a big piece of wood creaking. Ultimate example is the ascending chromatic bit at the end of Led Zep "Living Loving Maid" solo, that "ka-chunk ka-chunk ka-chunk" sound.
That's a cool lick. Total country chicken picking.

For me, woody is more a certain midrange response, usually from a mildy overdriven amp. The kind of tone where the sound isn't so compressed that the mids thcken up too much and you can still hear the character of the guitar's wood.

On the subject of the many meanings these words spring, all the recent talk of bf fenders got me thinking: for blackface it's generally the case that 'glassy', 'clean' and 'scooped' are all suitable. Scooped in terms of the reduction in midrange compared to the tweed/brown/blonde amps.
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I agree with Ears, Mark Knofler has astounding Strat tone. Brothers in Arms is the pinicle of Strat tone in my book.

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To me it comes down really to two things to think about with tone: 1. Do I like it? 2. Do I not? :P
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Tsuken wrote:To me it comes down really to two things to think about with tone: 1. Do I like it? 2. Do I not? :P
Haha! Profound! That cuts through like a tele!

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dc wrote:
Tsuken wrote:To me it comes down really to two things to think about with tone: 1. Do I like it? 2. Do I not? :P
Haha! Profound! That cuts through like a tele!
Whilst this approach does reek of Orwellian language reduction ala 1984, "tone good/tone bad" is probably preferable overall to "well, it's sort of a spanky, slightly woody clean sound that's fairly glassy with a bit of warmth, a tiny amount of scoop, a touch of quack with just a little fat overdrive when you lean into it..."
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Capt. Black wrote:Oh yeah and there's so little of that era fender here because of the mighty import duties of those days. That sort of paved the way for jansen to do so well with look-a-likes (if not sound a-likes) and I forget who it was but Fender twins were assembled in NZ under license for years.

Jansen made em

i heard Maton made the strats and tellies in the 60`s and seventys too


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With tthe current popularity of Telecasters, I'm suprised that nobody seems to have mentioned "twang".
A very common desciption of guitar tone.

People are saying the Fenders are "glassy", where as my friend always says his twin "sparkles".
I always thought "glassy" decribed the old Marshall bluesbreaker sound. Or rather Marshall decribed the Bluebreaker sound as "Glassy" in their blub on it.

There is a very big difference in tone between the short scale of a Les Paul or SG and the longer scale length of most other gats. I'm not sure how to desribe it.

A common term people use to desribe a tone they are not happy with is "Shit".

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Twang = that tele sound in that Oz TV series "Blue Heelers" ? or is that spank? or does spank = twang?
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Ears wrote:Twang = that tele sound in that Oz TV series "Blue Heelers" ? or is that spank? or does spank = twang?
Nuh, I think that "spank" has more to do with playing with "wang" than "twang". :lol:

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