Pedal through an overdriven amp

Tonemaker · Post by **Tonemaker** » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:17 am

Willow had the best advice when I was on a mad pedal hunt, he said why don't I just get am amp that does the sound I want with no pedals... After hearing Higainers Mojave, then getting one and putting in a few mods that I wanted, there is no need for an od pedal, tones from clean to plexi to higain, no prob, I have a few tone stack choices so I can cut mids , not scooped, or bright caps that add mid punch and clarity ...

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jeremyb · Post by **jeremyb** » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:29 am

Kris wrote:i used to use the fx loop to bypass the pre on my 800,then flavour with what ever pedal to suit:)

This seems like a good idea, you could run a A-B switch and have A: go into the amp input and B: into something like a sansamp pedal which is plugged into the effects return

Eruera · Post by **Eruera** » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:38 am

I used an LS2 to insert a DLS into the power section of my TH30, gave it a monster third channel

godgrinder · Post by **godgrinder** » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:56 am

werdna wrote:Good advice on the pickup front. I'll bang in a different pickup.

Just another reminder, modern hi gain tone rule no.1: don't scoop your mids (unless you are stuck in the 90's).

If you don't really feel like shelling out $200 for a Bareknuckle, Dimarzio D activator-X (DP222) is pretty alright for a cheaper and readily available choice imo. Got one in my BC Rich, it's pretty cool.

Miza wrote:I think pedal makers stopped caring about artists and followed the money to bedroom players, who are using their amps on 0.5 volume but still want the big stack sound.

You still get more TS/SD-1 variations coming from pedal manufacturers than foundation overdrives, they are much easier to develop and people do seem to buy into these.

Foundation overdrives are handy if you are in a touring band and have no idea what backline you will be getting.

NZRS_Matt wrote:Here's a blog I wrote on this subject a few years ago
http://www.rockshop.co.nz/community/blo ... ost-oh-my/

Just some little things. Satriani actually use DS-1 for his distortion. Although both of his signature heads are capable of high gain, he basically just use the clean channels to run the DS-1. He reckons the DS-1 gives him a more "consistent" sound all across the fretboard (probably due to the compression/lack of dynamic).
I heard that SRV mostly uses TS as distortion as well, he mostly use big clean amps anyway.

handsoffmatt · Post by **handsoffmatt** » Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:09 am

godgrinder wrote: Just some little things. Satriani actually use DS-1 for his distortion. Although both of his signature heads are capable of high gain, he basically just use the clean channels to run the DS-1. He reckons the DS-1 gives him a more "consistent" sound all across the fretboard (probably due to the compression/lack of dynamic).

This is indeed true. I discovered this after I wrote that article.

godgrinder wrote: I heard that SRV mostly uses TS as distortion as well, he mostly use big clean amps anyway.

Nah, Stevie Ray used to use cranked amps (of a Fender-ish nature) that were "gritty" and then boost them with a Tube Screamer.
Legit SRV tone cannot be had with a TS into a clean amp.

handsoffmatt · Post by **handsoffmatt** » Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:12 am

NZRS_Matt wrote:
godgrinder wrote: I heard that SRV mostly uses TS as distortion as well, he mostly use big clean amps anyway.
Nah, Stevie Ray used to use cranked amps (of a Fender-ish nature) that were "gritty" and then boost them with a Tube Screamer.
Legit SRV tone cannot be had with a TS into a clean amp.

Actually maybe I'm wrong on that. I can't find any evidence to substantiate this claim.

godgrinder · Post by **godgrinder** » Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:19 am

NZRS_Matt wrote:Actually maybe I'm wrong on that. I can't find any evidence to substantiate this claim.

I'm not entirely sure either. Some articles says he uses it as a boost, some says as distortion. My assumption is based on that he uses a 150w Dumble SSS which is probably as clean as you can possibly get... The Dumble probably plays a good part in the tone he gets and the TS can't do the job alone.

handsoffmatt · Post by **handsoffmatt** » Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:28 am

godgrinder wrote:
NZRS_Matt wrote:Actually maybe I'm wrong on that. I can't find any evidence to substantiate this claim.
I'm not entirely sure either. Some articles says he uses it as a boost, some says as distortion. My assumption is based on that he uses a 150w Dumble SSS which is probably as clean as you can possibly get... The Dumble probably plays a good part in the tone he gets and the TS can't do the job alone.

That is true. Though he of course used MANY amps (often simultaneously) including Vibroverbs, Twin Reverbs, Marshalls and god knows what else.

Sustainz · Post by **Sustainz** » Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:44 am

NZRS_Matt wrote:
godgrinder wrote:
NZRS_Matt wrote:Actually maybe I'm wrong on that. I can't find any evidence to substantiate this claim.
I'm not entirely sure either. Some articles says he uses it as a boost, some says as distortion. My assumption is based on that he uses a 150w Dumble SSS which is probably as clean as you can possibly get... The Dumble probably plays a good part in the tone he gets and the TS can't do the job alone.
That is true. Though he of course used MANY amps (often simultaneously) including Vibroverbs, Twin Reverbs, Marshalls and god knows what else.

That's it, really. SRV's rig changed a bit over the years, but it was more about adding different elements and combining them in different configurations than replacing them. His basic rig was a Marshall Club and Country for his cleans; a Vibroverb for the grit, pushed over the edge with a TS; and the Dumble SSS in and out of the mix. And he used .013s, tuned to Eb, etc.

For everything you ever wanted to know about SRV's gear and toanz - http://www.stevieray.com/gear.htm

Scooter13 · Post by **Scooter13** » Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:18 pm

Can you give us an example of the modern overdrive sound u are after?
Could it be you just need to turn the gain down and turn the power section up? Usually tightens things up.

Sustainz · Post by **Sustainz** » Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:23 pm

Scooter13 wrote:Can you give us an example of the modern overdrive sound u are after?
Could it be you just need to turn the gain down and turn the power section up? Usually tightens things up.

+1. That fixes a lot of issues with da toanz.

Sustainz · Post by **Sustainz** » Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:27 pm

willow13 wrote:
werdna wrote:
This whole pedal thing is a dead end.
you have your answer here .... get an amp that has the tone you want and run straight in for the WIN

Wisdom.

sopachrga · Post by **sopachrga** » Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:35 pm

Scooter13 wrote:Could it be you just need to turn the gain down and turn the power section up? Usually tightens things up.

Wait.... Power amp distortion in a JCM800 is ANYTHING but tight.

Scooter13 · Post by **Scooter13** » Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:41 pm

sopachrga wrote:
Scooter13 wrote:Could it be you just need to turn the gain down and turn the power section up? Usually tightens things up.
Wait.... Power amp distortion in a JCM800 is ANYTHING but tight.

Oh really? I was generalising with tongue in cheek. I've never played an actual 800. Plexi, 900 and 2000 yes, 800 nope, only modelled.

slash-ed · Post by **slash-ed** » Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:45 pm

Driving a power amp harder generally never makes things tighter.

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