SG vs Les Paul

DarcyPerry · Post by **DarcyPerry** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:02 pm

Hey, here is a great example of 2 wicked guitarists, Derek Trucks and Warren Haynes playing SG & Les Paul respectively:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnBWPdj0_zw

Derek kicks in at about 2 mins. Warren enters the fray aboiut 6 mins in.

I like both of 'em

Post by Bg » Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:35 pm

yeah Mr Trucks has great tone with a bottle neck, but Warren rules with his LP

rocklander · Post by **rocklander** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:54 pm

seems the LP has all the tone, but the SG cuts through huh. But the SG may as well be a fender to that end. Don't get me wrong, unlike some on this forum, I really like the fender sound - just seems that perhaps the SG is very much trying to bridge that gap of Xcaster to LP and ends being a little bit jack of all trades, master of none (or neither in this case). It's 'nice' but not 'wow, what tonal presence' or 'wow what cutting fat (or thin as the case may be) presence'. almost wow-less, if it weren't for the fantastic fingers bringing the sound.

slash-ed · Post by **slash-ed** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:10 pm

I think in a lot of cases this "X guitar brings X tone" is quite moot. I mean, to a point it holds water, but most of it still comes from your fingers. And even if it doesn't, the tone of X guitar can always been modified using different pickups, different pedals, different amps. With the advent of modelling amps/effects pedals, it's even more moot - you can sound like whatever you want, using anything.

I know I sound the same through pretty much anything, imo it's fingers and dynamics that does it mostly. I pick with the grace of a water buffalo.

I must add, that SG I sold really did impress me with it's snarl and bite. It's not something that I've really ever heard from an LP before, and that's pretty cool. Hell I may even spring for the Gibson version at some point.

rocklander · Post by **rocklander** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:25 pm

well it doesn't matter what you throw at Dave Gilmour, it'll always sound like him, so I agree to an extent - but I know for sure that my old ibanez sounds a world different with the new SD pups I threw in, and a world different again from my tele, so the tone can't ALL be in the fingers - unless it's psychosomatic, and I suddenly put my tele brain in gear when playing the tele, and ibanez brain when playing the old axe, and the SD brain in when playing the new and improved ibanez - no?

slash-ed · Post by **slash-ed** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:27 pm

Dave Gilmour doesn't count.... EMGs through 100000 effects? Anything through 100000 effects?

I reckon that would sound the same with anyone!

I guess what I'm saying is... I hear tone much more through the dynamics than the actual "sound". But pickups and all that definitely do make a difference if you're listening.

rocklander · Post by **rocklander** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:32 pm

I have to say, I've not had the chance to listen to the SG and LP side by side like that (at least not that I remember, or have paid attention

), but if these two are kinda apples with apples, I really did notice more tone in the LP. I'm pretty philistine about all this stuff (I'm only the singer after all heh) but it did seem that way - at least to me. The SG seemed to but, but was thinner - more tele - the LP was fatter and more tonal - SRV strat style. again- the caveat is that - what the hell do I know?

Post by Bg » Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:34 pm

I've seen Gilmour play a tele, straight into a Fender Twin. He still sounded great and just like himself, its worth bearing in mind that he may have 100,000 effects but they aren't usually all turned on at once. His fingers really are the key to his tone.

I think I can say also that, pretty much any of the guitars I play, I still sound like myself - and that is not a self-deprecating remark!

DarcyPerry · Post by **DarcyPerry** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:35 pm

Can I draw an anology?

Wait for it.

Guitars are like Cars.

When it comes to performance, sure, the driver has some input. However, a Porche is still a Porche and a....

Well, you get the picture?

Of course, when it comes to my tone... it's ALL in my fingers!

rocklander · Post by **rocklander** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:19 pm

I like the car analogy - I agree - I remember when I got my tele, I very quickly likened it to my old ibanez being like the toyota corolla - always there, always reliable, guaranteed to know exactly what I'll get, but the tele comparatively is a performance car - I had to learn how to drive it differently and got so much more out of it, and could look so much more foolish in that I really am a pretty below par driver (guitarist) and have had to improve, mostly just through more gigging (no actual effort on my part - that's crazy talk! heh)

Post by Bg » Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:21 pm

DarcyPerry wrote: Of course, when it comes to my tone... it's ALL in my fingers!

well at least you ain't driving a skoda

(or pushing...)

angry_young_poet · Post by **angry_young_poet** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 9:20 pm

wahahahahahah!

rocklander · Post by **rocklander** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 9:25 pm

bluesgeek wrote:
DarcyPerry wrote: Of course, when it comes to my tone... it's ALL in my fingers!
well at least you ain't driving a samick (or pushing...)

TMG 03 · Post by **TMG 03** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:17 am

SG,s are just different to LPs as a Tele is to a Strat.

Somedays I like a strat sound and somedays l like a LP sound. I doubt you could say one was more "toneful" than the other.

Derck Trucks Rocked at the Clapton concert with his SG. But Eric still wiped the floor with him when he needed to.

DarcyPerry · Post by **DarcyPerry** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 2:25 pm

bluesgeek wrote:
DarcyPerry wrote: Of course, when it comes to my tone... it's ALL in my fingers!
well at least you ain't driving a skoda (or pushing...)

How did you know I was going to say Skoda next after Porche?