No Suhrprise to anyone - but here it is!

[StrummersOfThunder]

Headstock appears fine to me based on my strict criteria.
1. Has holes where tuning gizmos reside
2. Is attached to distal end of neck

[mttn3]

The back of the body and neck are a nice colour too.

[slash-ed]

The back of the body and neck are a nice colour too.

I think so too - they help offset the extremely aggressively red front.

[Scooter13]

The best Suhr I've ever played was a vintage style tele. And it was glorious. I think it was made shortly after John Suhr had left Fender CS in 97.

[Slowy]

Meh. Don't understand the headstock hate either. That's just one exceptional Ferrari of a guitar. Pity it would laugh at me if I tried to play it.
Happy NGD, Ed. Frikken Awesome!

[bender]

The best Suhr I've ever played was a vintage style tele. And it was glorious. I think it was made shortly after John Suhr had left Fender CS in 97.

Yeah, I played a butterscotch one like that in Mojosound in Welly and I don't reckon I've played its equal since. A friend of mine has a P-90 loaded Suhr tele and it's utterly epic.

[handsoffmatt]

I'm pretty amazed at the price/quality debate going on over there.

I'll be the first one to say there are some manufacturers that have "past participle of get" their build quality amazing at low price points.....
But that does NOT make them live in the same ballpark as Suhr / PRS / Music Man et al. I'm sorry it just doesn't. A top shelf guitar gets significantly more time spent on the bits that count (fretwork, correct finishing, setup geometry etc.), they are more picky about their wood supply and use higher quality hardware.

Even without knowing that - when you pick up a top shelf guitar it's usually pretty apparent on the first strum where the extra $$ have gone.

Sure, it's definitely diminishing returns..... a $4,500 may not be "3 times" as good as a $1,500 guitar (how do you even measure that).......but it'll be better. For sure.

Suhr make outstanding guitars. Period.
A new Suhr is in the US$2,500 ballpark - let's say NZ$4,500 (converted at $0.65 with GST)
I'll challenge anyone to name a guitar with a new price of $2,250 (half of $4,500) that will be as good as a Suhr.

[Molly]

If there's any further doubt, watch this wee vid from the PRS factory:

At 3.30: "If I had to I could probably make a guitar neck in a day ... The reality is, it takes us about a month to make a neck."

At 5.30. Look at the neck fit process. No Gibson shims needed here.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mA6UVS-PWc[/youtube]

[slash-ed]

Meh. Don't understand the headstock hate either. That's just one exceptional Ferrari of a guitar. Pity it would laugh at me if I tried to play it.
Happy NGD, Ed. Frikken Awesome!

I think you'd rather like it actually. It's very much a Strat-style neck rather than a flat, wide shredder profile.

[Molly]

Meh. Don't understand the headstock hate either. That's just one exceptional Ferrari of a guitar. Pity it would laugh at me if I tried to play it.
Happy NGD, Ed. Frikken Awesome!

I think you'd rather like it actually. It's very much a Strat-style neck rather than a flat, wide shredder profile.

Would it be vulgar to ask what it cost? How are second-hand Suhr prices compared to second-hand PRS prices? Guessing higher since there's less of them about?

[borge]

If there's any further doubt, watch this wee vid from the PRS factory:

At 5.30. Look at the neck fit process. No Gibson shims needed here.

To me that screams 'Our QC is abysmal so we have to make parts oversized then sand them to fit'

[sirvill]

Meh. Don't understand the headstock hate either. That's just one exceptional Ferrari of a guitar. Pity it would laugh at me if I tried to play it.
Happy NGD, Ed. Frikken Awesome!

I think you'd rather like it actually. It's very much a Strat-style neck rather than a flat, wide shredder profile.

Would it be vulgar to ask what it cost? How are second-hand Suhr prices compared to second-hand PRS prices? Guessing higher since there's less of them about?

Or lower because there is less demand?

[jeremyb]

If there's any further doubt, watch this wee vid from the PRS factory:

At 5.30. Look at the neck fit process. No Gibson shims needed here.

To me that screams 'Our QC is abysmal so we have to make parts oversized then sand them to fit'

Maybe if you were working with aluminium, one of my friends is the general manager of an engineering firm that does high end cnc work, they can make things accurate to within 1000ths of a millimeter, but wood is way more prone to changes with temperature and moisture, and people have this obsession with handmade instruments, but it's perfectly normal for woodworkers to sand to fit on high end items.

[borge]

If there's any further doubt, watch this wee vid from the PRS factory:

At 5.30. Look at the neck fit process. No Gibson shims needed here.

To me that screams 'Our QC is abysmal so we have to make parts oversized then sand them to fit'

Maybe if you were working with aluminium, one of my friends is the general manager of an engineering firm that does high end cnc work, they can make things accurate to within 1000ths of a millimeter, but wood is way more prone to changes with temperature and moisture, and people have this obsession with handmade instruments, but it's perfectly normal for woodworkers to sand to fit on high end items.

Yeah, I've built a couple guitars. A photo of an unglued neck joint tight enough to hold the body up is pretty much obligatory on guitar building forums. Sanding to fit is cheating IMO/E - the routing template is too small or in PRS's case the CNC programming needs work. A solid interference fit is much easier with wood than metals, wood is soft

[handsoffmatt]

This thread is astounding me.

First it was "you can get a guitar as good as this Suhr for half the price"

Now it's "me and my forum buddies know how to make better guitars than PRS"

Speechless.