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NZRS_Matt wrote:
capt abaham wrote:try an Agile 3000 if you get a chance
While Agile guitars are indeed pretty cool, their LP's are FAR inferior to Edwards.

how many 3000 series have you played?

imo at least on par with LTD 1000 series, full thickness maple cap, ebony fretboard, one piece neck, graphtech nut, two piece body, grover tuners.

i wouldnt say "far inferior" there probably made by the same people in korea
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Matt, how would you place the Edwards in the gibson LP lineup? are we talking standard territory?
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arnt Edwards made by ESP

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ESP standard
Edwards/LTD 1000 series
all the other balsa wood junk
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As for the Vid, IMHO, the guy played the notes but had none of LC vibe or finesse...

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capt abaham wrote:
NZRS_Matt wrote:
capt abaham wrote:try an Agile 3000 if you get a chance
While Agile guitars are indeed pretty cool, their LP's are FAR inferior to Edwards.

how many 3000 series have you played?

imo at least on par with LTD 1000 series, full thickness maple cap, ebony fretboard, one piece neck, graphtech nut, two piece body, grover tuners.

i wouldnt say "far inferior" there probably made by the same people in korea
To be honest I can't recall exactly how many I've played (more than 10 I would guess), but I think it's safe to say that I've played enough to have a pretty informed opinion ;-)

I agree that the Korean Agile guitars are nice indeed, they are comparable to an LTD1000 series and it is indeed quite likely they are made in the same factory.

I still say they are far inferior to the Edwards though. Wood selection, finish, and factory setup all inferior.
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jeremyb wrote:Matt, how would you place the Edwards in the gibson LP lineup? are we talking standard territory?
you ask that like you think standards are lower than ...what customs???
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capt abaham wrote:arnt Edwards made by ESP

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Edwards are made by ESP, in Japan.

LTD are made by contract factories in various parts of the world.
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jeremyb wrote:Matt, how would you place the Edwards in the gibson LP lineup? are we talking standard territory?
you ask that like you think standards are lower than ...what customs???
Huh? I kinda mean, is it as good as a Standard, or more like a Studio :?
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jeremyb wrote:Matt, how would you place the Edwards in the gibson LP lineup? are we talking standard territory?

Edwards are certainly comparable to Gibson, but with more consistent(ly high) build quality.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not ragging on Gibson - they certainly still know how to make a great guitar - trouble is they can't make them that way every time. Their build process and quality control, whilst much better than it was in the 80's and 90's, still leaves a little to be desired.
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jeremyb wrote:
willow13 wrote:
jeremyb wrote:Matt, how would you place the Edwards in the gibson LP lineup? are we talking standard territory?
you ask that like you think standards are lower than ...what customs???
Huh? I kinda mean, is it as good as a Standard, or more like a Studio :?
It's a confusing question, a Standard is no better or worse than a Studio, or a Custom.

Different designs for different players/customers.
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oh right, edwards are made in japan, why did i think they were made in korea.

i`ll shut up now.
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NZRS_Matt wrote: It's a confusing question, a Standard is no better or worse than a Studio, or a Custom.

Different designs for different players/customers.
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jeremyb wrote:
NZRS_Matt wrote: It's a confusing question, a Standard is no better or worse than a Studio, or a Custom.

Different designs for different players/customers.
Ahhhhhhhhh I'm completely unknowledgeable when it comes to LP's!!
If you want something to compare with I have a nice LP Standard at home which you are welcome to try out.
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from my les paul forum:

There has been a lot of discussion lately, both here and on other fora, questioning if Edwards guitars are made in China. I was skeptical when I first heard this, but have since become convinced that it is true.

I have had a couple of exchanges with ESP Japan (parent company of Edwards) and did some reading—what follows is what I have learned or surmised.


--The first runs of Edwards guitars were entirely made in Japan

--Nowadays the initial phase of the manufacture of an Edwards guitar (woodworking through painting) is done in an ESP factory just inside the Chinese border in the Northeast province of Heilongjiang.

-- I believe that the Edwards LP series is made from genuine mahogany (Swietenia macrophylla or possibly Swietenia mahagoni) grown in plantations in Indonesia and/or possibly Fiji. That’s why the guitars are so light and lively. The wood is neither Sapele (entandrophragma cylindricum) nor African Mahogany (khaya anthotheca).

--ESP employees from Japan oversee and QC the production line.

--The finish and electronics, hardware and plastics, as well as the setup are done in Japan, now at the new ESP factory near Tokyo

-- This is not new. It has been like this for a few years, though exactly how many I could not pin down.

ESP established a joint venture in Northeast China in early 1992, named the Heilongjiang ESP Electronic Audio Co., Ltd. (黑龙江ESP电子音响有限公司 Heilongjiang E.S.P Electronic Hi-Fi Co Ltd. Jiguan District, Jixi City, Heilongjiang, China 158100. Processing Electric Guitar. Phone: 86-453-2358268). ESP ENTERTAINMENT GROUP

ESP made this move at that time due to China’s opening of the Northeast Asia Economic Subregion--in short this was an agreement among China, Russia, Japan and Korea to ease restrictions and tariffs on the import and export of finished and particularly unfinished goods among one another. This cooperation among the countries was renewed and expanded in 2003.

In the case of ESP, this provided the availability of cheap, trained, literate workers, and cheap factory workspace. Obviously, for China it meant jobs in a region that was shedding thousands of heavy industry and mining jobs. So the deal was done and ESP established a factory in Jixi, Heilongjiang to do the woodworking and painting of guitars

Raw materials are ocean-shipped by ESP to Vladivostok, Russia where the materials are transshipped by train about 200 km to the Suifenhe Sino-Russian Trade Zone. There they enter China at the Suifenhe port of entry and move an additional 120+ km to the ESP factory at Jixi. After the semi-finished guitars leave the factory, it is possible to reach Japan directly by means of overland and marine transport from Suifenhe customs office via Vladivostok or Nakhodka, Russia.

According to the ESP representatives:

-- Mahogany, Alder and Ash are used in EDWARDS. (This of course refers to more than the LP series)

-- Neither Sapele nor African Mahogany are used in Edwards.

-- The Mahogany that is used in the E-LP series is native to Southeast Asia.

– Edwards LPs are not chambered/weight relieved

The ESP factory is located at No. 72, Xishan Rd., Jixi, Heilongjiang, China (with a secondary mailing address of No. 20 Xishan Rd), and employees about 120-130 people, including 35 engineering technicians, 6 engineers, and 2 senior engineers. According to responses from ESP, the preliminary work on both Edwards and ESP guitars are done at this factory, from woodworking through painting. ESP claims that high degree of craftsmanship is maintained on the Edwards line because they are built totally within ESP facilities—in China, ESP has its own (high quality) factory, its own staff trained by ESP and production is done under the ESP monitoring. None of the work is contracted to other factories.

“((ESP))木工〜塗装まではESP中国工場(黒龍江省)、組み込み〜セッティングは日本の ESP新東 京工場にて行っております。”

“EDWARDSは木工〜塗装までを中国、組み込み〜セッティングを日本で行っています。”


--The Chinese government investor in the Heilongjiang ESP Electronic Audio Co., Ltd. is the WeiLong (Great Dragon) Plastic Electronics Products Company, Ltd.

--In 2010, the value of manufacturing and trade of the joint venture was projected to reach $US 801,000. (黑龙江ESP电子音响有限公司今年加工贸易将实现80.1万美元) ????-???????????

--Heilongjiang ESP Electronic Audio Co., Ltd. ranks 32nd among the top 100 companies in China’s Electronic Musical Instrument Industry, according to a document entitled “Chinese Electronic Musical Instrument Competitor Analysis Report” issued by the Industry Research Report Network. By way of comparison, and perhaps of interest to some on this forum, the Gibson Joint Venture in Qingdao ranks 14th on this list. (2002年,GIBSON在中国青岛独资建立了青岛吉森乐器有限公司) These ratings were based on business operation, market share, growth rate, the company's overall strength in comprehensive evaluation against peers. http://blog.jrj.com.cn/5413429413,901741a.html

The finish process and installation of all the electronics, plastics and hardware is still done in Japan at the ESP Japan Factory in Saitama, Tokyo. This new factory was opened in June 2008. (2008年6月: 埼玉に新東京工場を新設) This factory is in the greater Tokyo area, about 20-30 km north of central Tokyo. ESP also has factories in Sado and Kiso for export mainly, but these now do not work on the Edwards line

In ESP’s defense, the company has a tradition of choosing not to build giant facilities with CNC machines and undertrained staff. ESP traditionally has multiple work shops and custom shop facilities around Japan, enabling the company to spread the high volume of orders across multiple shops, without having to compromise their higher quality custom instruments. It looks as if the Jixi factory has been folded into this mix.

Now for the 64 dollar question—why did ESP choose to build the Edwards brand in Northeast China? Well, there’s the break on tariffs, the availability of cheap factory space and a skilled literate workforce, but wages have got to be the primary driver. Wages for Chinese factory workers are less than for Korean and much less than for Japanese, BUT wages for workers in China’s Northeast even lag behind those for workers in the factory cities along the coast (Shenzhen, Shanghai, Guangzhou, and even Qingdao).

So that’s the story of Edwards guitars being made in China. Anyone give a shit?

See post #102 for a partial list of Edwards retailers.

Here is the address if anyone would like to ask ESP Japan a question about Edwards guitars: https://espguitars.sslserve.jp/customer/form.html
Originally Posted by STEEL KAGE
As for the Vid, IMHO, the guy played the notes but had none of LC vibe or finesse...

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