Edit - never mind, decision made, as you were.

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What to buy?

CP Jazzmaster
14
48%
Reverend Double Agent 2
1
3%
Road Worn Strat
7
24%
Something else
7
24%
 
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Yes I actually made a desicion. I sold the Strat. But all this has done has given me another decision to make. What the heck am I going to buy? After Trade Me fees, Pay Now fees and shipping costs (I foolishly offered free shipping) there's not a lot left, but I should be able to scrape enough together for one of the following. Bear in mind that I work in music retail so have access to some good prices. I only mention this because I know people are going to say "for the price of that you could get a Radian". I've looked into the Radian route and I don't think it's going to work for me financially, so no point suggesting it.

Fender Classic Player Jazzmaster:
http://www.fender.com/en-NZ/products/se ... 0141600306

This is the guitar that really got me thinking about selling my Strat. I love the look, and I like the specs on paper. I like that it's still single coil based, and I especially like that the pickups on this particular version are a bit more P90 ish - they're almost Jazzmaster shaped P90's, fatter than a regular JM pickup, but a bit thinner than a standard P90. I spent a bit of time with one when we had it at Music Planet and really liked it a lot.

Pros:
-Great looks, something a bit different.
-Nice features, has a lot of the things I like about the Strat without many of the things I don't
-Should be a good tonal partner to my Reverend Club King.
-Perfect neck for my tastes. Comfortable player.
-Have played it and loved it, although still not as good as my reverend for church stuff.

Cons:
-No case (would have to save some more for that)
-Quite noisy - the bain of my existence
-Only available in black and Sunburst, and I really don't want sunburst, so only available in black.
-Jazzmasters seem to be picking up in the church scene, and I'd really hate to look like a follower of fashion!
-Did I mention noisy?

Next up, Reverend Double Agent 2. My current Reverend is the best sounding guitar I've ever owned. Why not get another? They make a whole bunch of models, so there's plenty of variety. (I currently have the Club King RT). I love the idea of a neck p90 and a bridge humbucker combined with the bass contour knob. That's gonna be a whole lot of tones there:
http://www.reverendguitars.com/reverend ... nt_II.html

Pros:
-Cool looks, really unique, yet kinda classic.
-Great pickup layout. with the BCC control, I'd have something that's both cleaner than my Club King (the P90) AND a whole lot more agressive (bridge bucker).
-Cheap, comes with a case
-Great features - strat style trem, familiar scale length, etc.

Cons:
-Can't try before I buy (would have to import), no NZ agent. Going purely on pics, specs, and previous experience with Revs.
-The necks are rather chunky. I had to get Ash to repshape the neck on my Club King. Feels good now, but I haven't found Reverend's to be as comfortable as your typical Fender. My Club King is really heavy, but these are smaller and made of Korina, so that should be less of an issue.
-Neck pickup will be noisy, although not the bride pickup.
- Again, only two colours to choose from, and I don't like the flamed maple, so black only.

And lastly, here's one out of left field - another Strat. I've always been a Strat guy, so I have to ask myself - Is it Strats in general that aren't working for me, or was it just this particular one? Should I go back to something a bit more vintagey? Road worn 60's Strat:
http://www.fender.com/en-NZ/products/se ... 0131010300

Pros:
-The ones I've tried have been some of the best sounding Strats I've heard. They seem to be very resonant guitars.
- Familiar feel, fabulous necks. Those Strat comfort contours I've always loved. so much.
- Vintage looks

Cons:
-It's another Strat. Might be like the dog that returns to it's own vomit. (It's in the bible).
- 7.25" Radius. Would need to get this flattened out slightly. I tried to do that on my old '57 and it went horribly wrong. But that was before I knew Simcha. I'm sure she would do it properly.
- Nosiy, but plenty of noisless pickup options.
- OTT, slightly fake looking relic'ing.
- Again, only 2 colour choices, but I quite like the white ones.

Hmm, lots to think about. Keen to get your thoughts so that I can ignore them and do something completely different! :lol:
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Radi... oh.


Radio? :eh:

Don't get another Strat. You keep selling them. I would buy the Reverend, so that means I'm gonna suggest you buy the reverend.

Buy the Reverend. In black.
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Of those, I Gas for the Reverend so I'm with Badmotor. Dibs if you get it.

You claim to be a Strat guy but you have a noise problem. You never mentioned a love of Strat tones; just their contours. All 3 guitars you mentioned will be noisy except the Reverend's bridge pup so you're not addressing your primary issue. So you want a quiet guitar with Stratly contours. Someone here is selling a black PRS for a great price. You should buy it.

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slowfingers wrote:Of those, I Gas for the Reverend so I'm with Badmotor. Dibs if you get it.

You claim to be a Strat guy but you have a noise problem. You never mentioned a love of Strat tones; just their contours. All 3 guitars you mentioned will be noisy except the Reverend's bridge pup so you're not addressing your primary issue. So you want a quiet guitar with Stratly contours. Someone here is selling a black PRS for a great price. You should buy it.
I hear ya. Thing is, as much as I hate hum, I like single coils and P90's tonally, so yeah, it's always an issue. I just have to find ways around it. I have a Smart Gate which helps, and I get noiseless pickups where I can. I'm not into PRS's at all, and I'm definitely not going to get one just because it has humbuckers in it. Certainly appreciate the input though. As far as Strat tones go, I've always liked them i the past, but seem to have gone off them a bit. Every now an again I hear a Strat tone that makes me think 'that's it, that's the sound', but then I go back and play my Strat and go 'hmm, nah.'
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Post by jimi »

congrats on selling the strat. I'd get the JM. You've already got one reverend and I dont think you should buy another strat at this stage. Try something different. Can alway get those noiseless JM pickups you were going on about once you've got some more coin in your pocket.

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Post by Slowy »

Understood. :D Have you fully shielded and star earthed your Strats? I found it works very well. Mine is not noisy at all.

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Well... you preempted me on the Radian thing. I've been gazing lovingly at the Radian pics on Facebook this weekend and it's generated some real GAS but then I'd just be projecting my GAS onto you, which besides being not very helpful sounds kind of disgusting.

So I voted for the Jazzmaster. If you didn't already have a Reverend, I'd have voted for that, but since you do, I reckon a Jazzmaster would be a good compliment.

BTW, where do you buy Reverends from? Their site says they don't ship direct..?

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I thought the whole point was to get a jm?
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hamo wrote:I thought the whole point was to get a jm?
which is why I voted strat :thumbup:
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BTW, where do you buy Reverends from? Their site says they don't ship direct..?
There used to be a guy here who brought them in, I got mine from him. I emailed reverend and they'll me go direct as there's no dealer here, or else I could also go through prymaxe vintage or pro guitar shop.

Yeah done the shielding and all that. Star grounded my old '57, still not sure how much difference the star grounding makes, but certainly the shielding is important.

Honestly I'm pretty sure I'm going to get the jazzmaster. One thing I forgot to mention about the Reverend is that the resale on them is a bit sad, so if I don't like it and I sell it, my next guitar ain't gonna be too flash. The Jazzmaster will be a better asset for when I inevitably change my mind.

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Ooo, I'm actually starting to get a little excited about this now!

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Post by Pastasauce »

Cool, thanks.

Not to make this thread all about me, but those Sensai's look like a pretty good alternative to a Les Paul Studio or Standard.

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Get the CP. If it's too noisy, mod it. Re-shield it, get some dummy coils, get some overpriced noiseless pickups, or something. The CPs are the tits.
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I like how your entire reason for selling the Strat was to get a JM, and now of course you don't know if you want a JM.
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