KNNZ wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 8:59 am
oh my world!! did I see the price correctly?!?!?! this makes Gibson Murphy Labs historic reissues seem affordable
Slowy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 5:35 pm
I'm Gassing for a Nylon crossover acoustic electric; pretty limited field, especially in NZ.
Obviously there's the Lowden Jazz but thought I'd check out Goodall. I've only met a couple of Goodalls but one of them is in my thoughts almost every day.
And yes, they do one! https://reverb.com/item/66966315-goodal ... r-cocobolo
Sigh.
Welcome to the world of acoustic guitar anguish
Re: The Acoustic Thread
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 5:33 pm
by vinylguy
Yep that is so far out of financial reach for me as to be undesirable....
Re: The Acoustic Thread
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 8:37 pm
by Slowy
vinylguy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 5:33 pm
Yep that is so far out of financial reach for me as to be undesirable....
My sister found a second hand one for $19,000. Doesn't really help much.
Much more so than with electrics, in the acoustic world there's a demonstrable correlation between performance and price. I've never gone quite that far up the food chain though.
vinylguy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 5:33 pm
Yep that is so far out of financial reach for me as to be undesirable....
My sister found a second hand one for $19,000. Doesn't really help much.
Much more so than with electrics, in the acoustic world there's a demonstrable correlation between performance and price. I've never gone quite that far up the food chain though.
Most of us would consider a 25 year old Brasilian model Martin to be fairly high up the food chain ?
Re: The Acoustic Thread
Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:22 pm
by codedog
A 25 year old Brazilian model would probably be high maintenance too!
vinylguy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 5:33 pm
Yep that is so far out of financial reach for me as to be undesirable....
My sister found a second hand one for $19,000. Doesn't really help much.
Much more so than with electrics, in the acoustic world there's a demonstrable correlation between performance and price. I've never gone quite that far up the food chain though.
Most of us would consider a 25 year old Brasilian model Martin to be fairly high up the food chain ?
Yeah, but I was 18 and paid (I think) $850 for it.
My sister found a second hand one for $19,000. Doesn't really help much.
Much more so than with electrics, in the acoustic world there's a demonstrable correlation between performance and price. I've never gone quite that far up the food chain though.
Most of us would consider a 25 year old Brasilian model Martin to be fairly high up the food chain ?
Yeah, but I was 18 and paid (I think) $850 for it.
Yes but in those days that much money would have bought you the Coromandel, with money left over for half a dozen muskets.
Interesting. Had a good look at the photos and imo the water, sludge or sewage has affected the back of the guitar more than other parts. On the back it is not the binding that has come off, it is actually the back lifting out of the body so to speak. You would need to inspect the inside to see if the center strip has come loose and how badly the kerfing has been affected.
What is the going price for one of these in good condition?
Jay, that was my prognosis too. The back is warped. I'm no expert here, but I'd imagine a repair would involve taking the back off completely, then trying the flatten those two warped pieces, then refitting (or possibly replacing) them. I think it would be a nightmare.
I see Studio 1 bought it. I suspected it might have been theirs to begin with. Insurance payout, buy it back, a couple of grand to repair in house and it might be a profitable exercise.
But this is pure speculation.
Yup we bought it (was never ours though). There was no water damage to the guitar - ie it must have been in a room with very high humidity but not touching water. the binding had come off and needed regluing. Very simple fix. Amazing guitar, very cool tone. One of the staff loved it so took it home. Repairs ran only a few hundred dollars.
Jay, that was my prognosis too. The back is warped. I'm no expert here, but I'd imagine a repair would involve taking the back off completely, then trying the flatten those two warped pieces, then refitting (or possibly replacing) them. I think it would be a nightmare.
I see Studio 1 bought it. I suspected it might have been theirs to begin with. Insurance payout, buy it back, a couple of grand to repair in house and it might be a profitable exercise.
But this is pure speculation.
Yup we bought it (was never ours though). There was no water damage to the guitar - ie it must have been in a room with very high humidity but not touching water. the binding had come off and needed regluing. Very simple fix. Amazing guitar, very cool tone. One of the staff loved it so took it home. Repairs ran only a few hundred dollars.
Well thank you for the clarification. It was difficult to tell from the TM photos but I'm glad it was a straightforward fix. Beautiful guitar and horrible to see it like that!
Re: The Acoustic Thread
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:32 pm
by jeremyb
Re: The Acoustic Thread
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:41 pm
by codedog
Thanks for the reminder! I meant to hunt down the video about that guitar
Re: The Acoustic Thread
Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:47 am
by codedog
Evidently laminate back and sides != lower quality!
Re: The Acoustic Thread
Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:05 am
by olegmcnoleg
That is right, yes. There is a trend amongst some builders to make guitars where the back & sides take as much of the structural load as possible, leaving the top to be free to just vibrate. So the top needs very little bracing, it is basically a speaker cone. Laminates are much stronger, so they get used for the back & sides.
I've played one of these guitars...it is a weird experience because you hear a massive sound in the room, but very little coming directly back at you through the back & sides of the guitar.
The other thing about laminates being stronger (if they are really carefully made) is that they can be thinner. This is also a good thing, tonewise.
Neither approach leads to cheaper guitars, unfortunately
Re: The Acoustic Thread
Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:11 am
by codedog
olegmcnoleg wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:05 am
That is right, yes. There is a trend amongst some builders to make guitars where the back & sides take as much of the structural load as possible, leaving the top to be free to just vibrate. So the top needs very little bracing, it is basically a speaker cone. Laminates are much stronger, so they get used for the back & sides.
I've played one of these guitars...it is a weird experience because you hear a massive sound in the room, but very little coming directly back at you through the back & sides of the guitar.
The other thing about laminates being stronger (if they are really carefully made) is that they can be thinner. This is also a good thing, tonewise.
Neither approach leads to cheaper guitars, unfortunately
