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Marshall 4x12 refurbishment.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:30 pm
by NippleWrestler
This is a 1985 Marshall 1960a. It's from the JCM800 series.

It looked like this:

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ruined tolex, water damaged sides, a crumbly back panel, a cab full of dings and scrapes and a big gouge in the top by the skid pan covered in layers of duct tape going back decades judging from how brittle it was.

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Let's strip it back:

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The tolex just came off in brittle strips. It would flake off in your hands and had lost all pliancy so it was like hard plastic. It all went in the garbage sadly, which felt very irresponsible but there's not much I can do with flaky crap tolex. I sanded it smooth and crap-free with 5 80 grit discs.

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That's a broken off drillbit in the cab. Quality British construction.

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Maybe Ron is the guy who left the drillbit there?

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nice ply though.

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That's the date from the speaker codes.

Here's where it gets interesting. I'm not using tolex. I actually hate the stuff and hate dealing with it and don't really see any upsides to using it that aren't rooted in tradition or doing it because it's what everyone else does. I'm using this https://www.livesound.co.nz/collections ... r-cabinets which I bought from Livesound. I've used that for PA cabs and stage gear. Tolex seems to be a holdover for guitar cabs for some reason while the rest of the audio trade moved on.

Anyway. I used the trial kit which is enough for 3 coats of a 4x12 cab this size. The texture comes from the roller and you can soften it or make it more aggressive if you dilute the stuff, or leave it neat. It goes on dark grey/blue but dries black so don't worry if you think you bought the wrong stuff. It cleans up with water while wet and is hard AF when dry. There's no fumes and it's generally very easy to work with and is touch dry within the hour.

First coat:

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Second coat:

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You can see it's not quite dry in the first pic. The unevenness on the side panel disappeared once it had dried. It's self-adhering and can be touched up with a brush down the line if need be.

I made a new back from 18mm ply, also Duratex coated, and installed a new metal jack plate to replace the plastic funnel thingy that was stock.

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The original plan was to replace the grille cloth but I think this looks 100% badass as is so I left it. The hardware is all original, I just touched it up where I could and fixed the dodgy wheel.

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Nice level 3 project.

Re: Marshall 4x12 refurbishment.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:33 pm
by sizzlingbadger
Looks cool, great work.

Re: Marshall 4x12 refurbishment.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:39 pm
by jeremyb
That looks great, nice work!

Re: Marshall 4x12 refurbishment.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:47 pm
by Kris
imma get me some of that duratex,looks fantastic!

Re: Marshall 4x12 refurbishment.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:49 pm
by Dharmajester
Ah Duratex presumably. I've been looking at that with a view to de tolexing and painting my Redplate which has dirty cream coloured finish on it.
It's not in rough shape just a f'ugly colour and that stuff looks the ticket. I wondered if it was just for speaker cabs though and might not like the heat from a head???

Re: Marshall 4x12 refurbishment.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:53 pm
by NippleWrestler
Dharmajester wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:49 pm Ah Duratex presumably. I've been looking at that with a view to de tolexing and painting my Redplate which has dirty cream coloured finish on it.
It's not in rough shape just a f'ugly colour and that stuff looks the ticket. I wondered if it was just for speaker cabs though and might not like the heat from a head???
It can live comfortably under stage lights and it says it's rated to 90c on the packet so I wouldn't think it an issue. The outside of my dual rec doesn't get too hot as is.

Re: Marshall 4x12 refurbishment.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:05 pm
by jeremyb
Kris wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:47 pm imma get me some of that duratex,looks fantastic!
I'm sure theres a disclaimer about using it as a paint on prophylactic!

Re: Marshall 4x12 refurbishment.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:16 pm
by Molly
Looks tidy. Nice job.

I'd have been tempted to Randy it. :-)

Re: Marshall 4x12 refurbishment.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:32 pm
by Kris
jeremyb wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:05 pm
Kris wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:47 pm imma get me some of that duratex,looks fantastic!
I'm sure theres a disclaimer about using it as a paint on prophylactic!
id let it dry first! it is very close to durex, so i understand your confusion.

Re: Marshall 4x12 refurbishment.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:17 pm
by Cdog
Nice job! Looks the biz... Do you think the duratex will be as durable as tolex?

Re: Marshall 4x12 refurbishment.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:24 pm
by NippleWrestler
Cdog wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:17 pm Nice job! Looks the biz... Do you think the duratex will be as durable as tolex?
More so. You can drop pa cabs down many stairs and the paint will survive. And if you do scratch it off you can fix it with a paint brush and a fresh application. I'm done with tolex.

Re: Marshall 4x12 refurbishment.

Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:49 am
by Kris
did you get one of the duratex trial packs or commit to a bucket?i'm just trying to see wether i can justify a bucket ;) i do have a lot of 15"cabs though...

Re: Marshall 4x12 refurbishment.

Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:08 pm
by NippleWrestler
Kris wrote: Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:49 am did you get one of the duratex trial packs or commit to a bucket?i'm just trying to see wether i can justify a bucket ;) i do have a lot of 15"cabs though...
Just the trial pack. I don't need it for anything else right now, although I still have about a quarter left.

Re: Marshall 4x12 refurbishment.

Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 2:03 pm
by Dharmajester
NippleWrestler wrote: Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:08 pm
Kris wrote: Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:49 am did you get one of the duratex trial packs or commit to a bucket?i'm just trying to see wether i can justify a bucket ;) i do have a lot of 15"cabs though...
Just the trial pack. I don't need it for anything else right now, although I still have about a quarter left.
Think you bought the last one.

Re: Marshall 4x12 refurbishment.

Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:06 pm
by NippleWrestler
Good on ya man. See the light. I think you'll be a convert.