Re: The One Thing Every Influential Guitar Tone Has In Common
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:07 am
by sty
Bg wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:58 pm
I was drawn to guitar by schenker playing a wall of marshalls. They were mic'd but I was hanging on the front of the stage where I could hear them - or probably one of them
The sound in the room isn't just about sound, its about the feeling of being hit by a big fuck off wave of sound.
Years ago when Kevin Shirley started out producing the Iron Maiden albums after Bruce rejoined I checked him out a little and one of his soundbites/credits was getting Alex Lifeson of Rush back into the room with his amps to record his guitar solos and main parts (this was when Shirley was an engineer). Apparently the big air waves and "feeling" the guitar sound while recording got a better performance out of Lifeson.
The video says pretty much the same thing, ie. it helps with the performance but doesn't really change the recorded guitar tone.
I'm a wuss though, and while all my guitar heroes, also starting with Schenker, stood in front of walls of Marshalls and I've found it a painful experience when I've been at a geatfest and someone dimes a Plexi!
Re: The One Thing Every Influential Guitar Tone Has In Common
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:21 am
by robthemac
sty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:07 am
I'm a wuss though, and while all my guitar heroes, also starting with Schenker, stood in front of walls of Marshalls and I've found it a painful experience when I've been at a geatfest and someone dimes a Plexi!
Same here. I couldn't even crank that 6W VHT. My 18W Plexi sounds so good at volume, but I'm too shy to get it there.
Re: The One Thing Every Influential Guitar Tone Has In Common
sty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:07 am
I'm a wuss though, and while all my guitar heroes, also starting with Schenker, stood in front of walls of Marshalls and I've found it a painful experience when I've been at a geatfest and someone dimes a Plexi!
Same here. I couldn't even crank that 6W VHT. My 18W Plexi sounds so good at volume, but I'm too shy to get it there.
Yeah, I hear you. And using a powersoak just does not produce the same joy. I dream of a house in the wilderness, with good power and no neighbours.
Re: The One Thing Every Influential Guitar Tone Has In Common
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:54 am
by olegmcnoleg
The more recording I do, the more I realise that sound engineers are the real geniuses of Good Tone
Re: The One Thing Every Influential Guitar Tone Has In Common
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:33 am
by Danger Mouse
olegmcnoleg wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:54 am
The more recording I do, the more I realise that sound engineers are the real geniuses of Good Tone
The few times I've recorded with a decent sound engineer, they have gone to my amp, looked at how I've set up the tone and gain controls and gone "No", then set it up to sound good recorded.
Re: The One Thing Every Influential Guitar Tone Has In Common
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:46 am
by clubhouse
Subjectivity
Re: The One Thing Every Influential Guitar Tone Has In Common
olegmcnoleg wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:54 am
The more recording I do, the more I realise that sound engineers are the real geniuses of Good Tone
The few times I've recorded with a decent sound engineer, they have gone to my amp, looked at how I've set up the tone and gain controls and gone "No", then set it up to sound good recorded.
That reminds me of a trick I used when recording His Masters Voice at Stebbings two times.
We had the luxury of a large room that meant we could track drums, bass and guitar live in the studio without an undue amount of spill. Everyone was playing at their normal volume even.
Anyway, guitarist Az, wanted to play through his Marshall valvestate to have all the gain tricks he’d been used to. Far too fizzy mic’ed up.
I wanted him to record through my super bass to get a sound that suited the feel of the recording we were after. Too “clean” for Az’s style.
Solution was to set up both rigs with a baffles between them and record both.
That way we got the performance we wanted and the recorded tone of both amps we could blend between.
Re: The One Thing Every Influential Guitar Tone Has In Common
olegmcnoleg wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:54 am
The more recording I do, the more I realise that sound engineers are the real geniuses of Good Tone
The few times I've recorded with a decent sound engineer, they have gone to my amp, looked at how I've set up the tone and gain controls and gone "No", then set it up to sound good recorded.
That reminds me of a trick I used when recording His Masters Voice at Stebbings two times.
We had the luxury of a large room that meant we could track drums, bass and guitar live in the studio without an undue amount of spill. Everyone was playing at their normal volume even.
Anyway, guitarist Az, wanted to play through his Marshall valvestate to have all the gain tricks he’d been used to. Far too fizzy mic’ed up.
I wanted him to record through my super bass to get a sound that suited the feel of the recording we were after. Too “clean” for Az’s style.
Solution was to set up both rigs with a baffles between them and record both.
That way we got the performance we wanted and the recorded tone of both amps we could blend between.
Your post made me curious enough to go and track this down for a listen. Very cool. Right up my street - bluesy stoner rock like the devil and the almighty blues or asteroid. Cheers!
Re: The One Thing Every Influential Guitar Tone Has In Common
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2023 5:47 pm
by bender
Is the answer “a guitar”?
Re: The One Thing Every Influential Guitar Tone Has In Common
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:01 pm
by hamo
GPT-4?
Re: The One Thing Every Influential Guitar Tone Has In Common
Your post made me curious enough to go and track this down for a listen. Very cool. Right up my street - bluesy stoner rock like the devil and the almighty blues or asteroid. Cheers!
