Hey,
So I recently acquired this amazing beast and I want to understand how to connect it properly to do what I need.
At the moment I have it as my audio interface and works good but that means I don't have any other instruments or vocals etc that would normally go into my desktop audio interface (either Komplete Audio 6 or Scarlet 2i2)
Currently connections are Guitar into FM3 input 1 and Studio monitors into main outputs. USB to PC. Works great
now:
how can I connect the FM3 to act only as my guitar processor or "pedalboard" then go into audio interface without creating a double loop, and record on cubase two inputs, 1 DI and 1 with effects?
Anyone knows about this stuff?
Thanks!
Re: How to connect FM3 to Audio interface, DAW
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:41 am
by codedog
Sorry, I'm not much help, just commenting out of interest and previous (not exactly identical) experience.
I had this exact problem with Kemper USB Audio, Scarlett, and Windows PC. I wanted to combine both the Scarlett and Kemper to present a single set of audio I/O in the DAW. Then I can select from the full range of inputs, and everything output through the Scarlett, into the pair of monitors. I ended up running ASIO4ALL to achieve this. In ASIO4ALL I was able to aggregate the inputs from the Scarlett and Kemper. I'm guessing this will work with FM3 too? Does the FM3 have its own driver for USB audio? If it does, can it aggregate audio I/O on the PC?
I ended up switching to a Mac a few months ago. It has the exact concept of "Aggregate devices" in MacOS... works soooo much better!
Re: How to connect FM3 to Audio interface, DAW
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:55 am
by HackSaw
I had my axefx 3 going spdif into the back of the clarett, which works fine standalone, but as soon as I open logic it just ceases to work. Buggered if I can figure out why. I too have a Mac though, so just gone back to an aggregate device, seems to work that way.
Re: How to connect FM3 to Audio interface, DAW
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:00 am
by robthemac
codedog wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:41 am
Sorry, I'm not much help, just commenting out of interest and previous (not exactly identical) experience.
I had this exact problem with Kemper USB Audio, Scarlett, and Windows PC. I wanted to combine both the Scarlett and Kemper to present a single set of audio I/O in the DAW. Then I can select from the full range of inputs, and everything output through the Scarlett, into the pair of monitors. I ended up running ASIO4ALL to achieve this. In ASIO4ALL I was able to aggregate the inputs from the Scarlett and Kemper. I'm guessing this will work with FM3 too? Does the FM3 have its own driver for USB audio? If it does, can it aggregate audio I/O on the PC?
I ended up switching to a Mac a few months ago. It has the exact concept of "Aggregate devices" in MacOS... works soooo much better!
I had the same experience as you. Was one small reason that contributed to me switching to Mac.
Related note: Mac Mini M2 Pro absolutely crushes 10th Gen i7 for music production. Both have 16gb RAM. Wonder if there is some truth to Apple's claim about integrated memory outperforming its paper specs.
Re: How to connect FM3 to Audio interface, DAW
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:07 am
by jeremyb
Use the left and right outputs of the FM3 into two inputs of your interface, then you should be able to route your amps and effects to the left output only and there surely will be a way to have a non affected signal to the right output to produce the DI track?!?!?
I don't know fractal stuff at all but this is the way.
Re: How to connect FM3 to Audio interface, DAW
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:13 am
by jeremyb
Quick bit of googling you can still do it with the fractal as a USB interface, this guy goes thru it
Re: How to connect FM3 to Audio interface, DAW
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:23 am
by codedog
jeremyb wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:07 am
Use the left and right outputs of the FM3 into two inputs of your interface, then you should be able to route your amps and effects to the left output only and there surely will be a way to have a non affected signal to the right output to produce the DI track?!?!?
I don't know fractal stuff at all but this is the way.
When I asked in the Kemper FB groups I got shot down by a barrage of "Use spdif" or "use the inputs in your interface", followed by "this is the way". Frikkin unhelpful. To my mind, it's a bloody waste to stick D/A, followed by A/D, conversions in the way when USB audio is digital all the way through. I wanted to use stereo effects, which means I couldn't hijack one side to deliver DI. This may not be a problem for Bitbull, of course.
codedog wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:41 am
Sorry, I'm not much help, just commenting out of interest and previous (not exactly identical) experience.
I had this exact problem with Kemper USB Audio, Scarlett, and Windows PC. I wanted to combine both the Scarlett and Kemper to present a single set of audio I/O in the DAW. Then I can select from the full range of inputs, and everything output through the Scarlett, into the pair of monitors. I ended up running ASIO4ALL to achieve this. In ASIO4ALL I was able to aggregate the inputs from the Scarlett and Kemper. I'm guessing this will work with FM3 too? Does the FM3 have its own driver for USB audio? If it does, can it aggregate audio I/O on the PC?
I ended up switching to a Mac a few months ago. It has the exact concept of "Aggregate devices" in MacOS... works soooo much better!
I had the same experience as you. Was one small reason that contributed to me switching to Mac.
Related note: Mac Mini M2 Pro absolutely crushes 10th Gen i7 for music production. Both have 16gb RAM. Wonder if there is some truth to Apple's claim about integrated memory outperforming its paper specs.
I think it's a combination of integrated components and ARM architecture that gave Apple Silicon the advantage. I have the Macbook Air M2, not even a Pro. That thing is ridiculously powerful. I was tossing up between MBA and Mini. Ended up opting for the portability use case. Now I plug it into the dock, turn on the Kemper, and have full stereo goodness through my monitors!
Sorry... not helping Bitbull.
Re: How to connect FM3 to Audio interface, DAW
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:40 am
by Zaulkin
Guitar > FM3 > Komplete Audio 6 > Monitors
Connect the FM3 into the 1/4 inch inputs on the back and reserve the mic inputs for your mic / other stuff.
Then create a patch within your FM3 - the main part of the patch is normal, going to OUT1. That will be your main signal. Create a split cable off IN1 to OUT2, which will give you your DI signal.
Re: How to connect FM3 to Audio interface, DAW
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 4:59 pm
by Bitbull
Yeah I need to look into routing within Cubase. When I do output FM3 -> to inputs on the Audio interface and monitors in the output audio interface, I can either listen to the guitar, or I can listen to a playback by switching the Audio device within Cubase, which is annoying as f. won't let me have both together.
I have a MBP too, but my PC is very powerful, so I'd rather use that. Got an I9 latest gen, 128GB RAM, and a 4090 GPU.
Re: How to connect FM3 to Audio interface, DAW
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 6:10 pm
by robthemac
Bitbull wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 4:59 pm
Yeah I need to look into routing within Cubase. When I do output FM3 -> to inputs on the Audio interface and monitors in the output audio interface, I can either listen to the guitar, or I can listen to a playback by switching the Audio device within Cubase, which is annoying as f. won't let me have both together.
I have a MBP too, but my PC is very powerful, so I'd rather use that. Got an I9 latest gen, 128GB RAM, and a 4090 GPU.
But can it Doom?
Re: How to connect FM3 to Audio interface, DAW
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 6:23 pm
by Bitbull
Only when its warmed up first!
Re: How to connect FM3 to Audio interface, DAW
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2024 12:44 pm
by Bitbull
codedog wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:41 am
Sorry, I'm not much help, just commenting out of interest and previous (not exactly identical) experience.
I had this exact problem with Kemper USB Audio, Scarlett, and Windows PC. I wanted to combine both the Scarlett and Kemper to present a single set of audio I/O in the DAW. Then I can select from the full range of inputs, and everything output through the Scarlett, into the pair of monitors. I ended up running ASIO4ALL to achieve this. In ASIO4ALL I was able to aggregate the inputs from the Scarlett and Kemper. I'm guessing this will work with FM3 too? Does the FM3 have its own driver for USB audio? If it does, can it aggregate audio I/O on the PC?
I ended up switching to a Mac a few months ago. It has the exact concept of "Aggregate devices" in MacOS... works soooo much better!
Oh, I have a MBP so can try that! how do you do this in MAc is it a setting within OSX?
codedog wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:41 am
Sorry, I'm not much help, just commenting out of interest and previous (not exactly identical) experience.
I had this exact problem with Kemper USB Audio, Scarlett, and Windows PC. I wanted to combine both the Scarlett and Kemper to present a single set of audio I/O in the DAW. Then I can select from the full range of inputs, and everything output through the Scarlett, into the pair of monitors. I ended up running ASIO4ALL to achieve this. In ASIO4ALL I was able to aggregate the inputs from the Scarlett and Kemper. I'm guessing this will work with FM3 too? Does the FM3 have its own driver for USB audio? If it does, can it aggregate audio I/O on the PC?
I ended up switching to a Mac a few months ago. It has the exact concept of "Aggregate devices" in MacOS... works soooo much better!
Oh, I have a MBP so can try that! how do you do this in MAc is it a setting within OSX?
I don't have my MBA in front of me so I can't tell you. Just google for Mac Aggregate Device, I'm sure there are lots of useful stuff for your particular version of MacOS.
Re: How to connect FM3 to Audio interface, DAW
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:00 pm
by Bitbull
Zaulkin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:40 am
Guitar > FM3 > Komplete Audio 6 > Monitors
Connect the FM3 into the 1/4 inch inputs on the back and reserve the mic inputs for your mic / other stuff.
Then create a patch within your FM3 - the main part of the patch is normal, going to OUT1. That will be your main signal. Create a split cable off IN1 to OUT2, which will give you your DI signal.
This looks good - but I don't know how to do it in FM3 and cubase - provided I have done the same physical connection you described what Im trying to do is let the audio interface be my main playback from my pc; i.e: when watching youtube, etc. then if i want to play guitar, the sound comes from same monitors with my FM3 processsed sound, and if i want to record, I just open cubase and record while hearing the feedback from the monitors. HOW DO I ACHIEVE THIS? and is it even possible?
