Vintage Gibson Les Paul Custom

[raz]

No disrespect to your grandfather who I'm sure is awesome, but did anybody else notice that that list is almost entirely incorrect? Other than Billy TK, none of those guys are remarkable guitar players, and some (Kilgour) are absolute rubbish. Where's Joel Haines, Jeremy Toy, Andy Lynch, Neil Watson, Sean Clancy etc etc?

You're stating your opinion as fact. Bit silly really. We've all got our own opinions. That doesn't make it correct or incorrect.

I quite like a lot of David Kilgour's stuff, Hammond Gamble I would definitely rate and I have no idea who 3 of the 5 people you mentioned are. Sean Clancy is a posterboy for Langcaster which automatically disqualifies him in my jaundiced opinion.

Nobody's ever going to agree with your list or anyone else's - that's one of the beautiful things about music. And it's not a bloody competition anyway.

Respect to xxxx's grandad for being in some pretty illustrious local talent in that list. Leave it there or start a new thread.

[robnobcorncob]

You say that the case is falling apart? I had a friend who owned an early 50's Fender Strat. He kept it in a lockable flight case which was alarmed and had a humidifier/temperature control inside. It would probably pay to keep the guitar in a pro quality flightcase that is lockable, therefore reduce further wear & tear on the original case as it will be worth quite a pretty penny on it's own and you want it to be in working condition.

No disrespect to your grandfather who I'm sure is awesome, but did anybody else notice that that list is almost entirely incorrect? Other than Billy TK, none of those guys are remarkable guitar players, and some (Kilgour) are absolute rubbish. Where's Joel Haines, Jeremy Toy, Andy Lynch, Neil Watson, Sean Clancy etc etc?

Every 'Top 10 Guitar Players' list is wrong, just like the rolling stone top #100. Kurt Cobain in the top 30 or so, yet I don't see Rory Gallagher or Danny Ghatton? Completely subjective, and 100% opinion with a bias to popular music [It was Rolling Stone after all]

[Capt. Black]

No disrespect to your grandfather who I'm sure is awesome, but did anybody else notice that that list is almost entirely incorrect? Other than Billy TK, none of those guys are remarkable guitar players, and some (Kilgour) are absolute rubbish. Where's Joel Haines, Jeremy Toy, Andy Lynch, Neil Watson, Sean Clancy etc etc?

Naaah no one noticed because we're more interested in the guitar, it's owner and their history together.

Besides you don't know what the criteria was for best guitarist so how do you know it's wrong. I take your point. I admit I had a little snigger when I saw DD mentioned in there but comparing the names the herald mentions and those you mention it's immediately obvious that they're not talking shredders or speeders.
I fully rate Joel as probably one of the outright best players in the southern hemisphere. But he is the ultimate perpetually reclusive sideman. I've heard of Sean Clancy because he endorses Langcaster.
The names on the Herald list are all known for successfully writing their own music and fronting their own bands on the back of their guitar playing. There's probably a clue in there somewhere.

So anyway, the discussion on who's best/worst is over in the "biggest wanker" thread.

[Some Bozo]

No disrespect to your grandfather who I'm sure is awesome, but did anybody else notice that that list is almost entirely incorrect? Other than Billy TK, none of those guys are remarkable guitar players, and some (Kilgour) are absolute rubbish. Where's Joel Haines, Jeremy Toy, Andy Lynch, Neil Watson, Sean Clancy etc etc?

A better question is "WHO ARE Joel Haines, Jeremy Toy, Andy Lynch, Neil Watson, Sean Clancy etc etc? ". If it was a list of "Guitarists' Guitarists" they'd be on it, but list was obviously about people who make records that people actually buy and play shows that people actually go to. Don't get me wrong, I like shredders and jazz nerds as much as the next guy on here, but there's no point the herald putting up a list of ten people no one's heard of.
Anyway, why would you name yourself after Neil Young and then complain about "rubbish" players ?

[Hot_Grits]

No disrespect to your grandfather who I'm sure is awesome, but did anybody else notice that that list is almost entirely incorrect? Other than Billy TK, none of those guys are remarkable guitar players, and some (Kilgour) are absolute rubbish. Where's Joel Haines, Jeremy Toy, Andy Lynch, Neil Watson, Sean Clancy etc etc?

Naaah no one noticed because we're more interested in the guitar, it's owner and their history together.

Besides you don't know what the criteria was for best guitarist so how do you know it's wrong. I take your point. I admit I had a little snigger when I saw DD mentioned in there but comparing the names the herald mentions and those you mention it's immediately obvious that they're not talking shredders or speeders.
I fully rate Joel as probably one of the outright best players in the southern hemisphere. But he is the ultimate perpetually reclusive sideman. I've heard of Sean Clancy because he endorses Langcaster.
The names on the Herald list are all known for successfully writing their own music and fronting their own bands on the back of their guitar playing. There's probably a clue in there somewhere.

So anyway, the discussion on who's best/worst is over in the "biggest wanker" thread.

About the Dobber: he's a great guitarist with a very unique touch and note choices. I got a free to the Dudes shows last year and it was great hearing him wield a tele and play the part of 'lead guitarist' for a change. I'm sure you'd have dug it.

Top ten lists are for people who like to argue.

[Capt. Black]

About the Dobber: he's a great guitarist with a very unique touch and note choices. I got a free to the Dudes shows last year and it was great hearing him wield a tele and play the part of 'lead guitarist' for a change. I'm sure you'd have dug it.

Hahaaaa, don't get me wrong. I've been a 'Dobbyn the guitar hero' fan since I was a spotty teenager. He woulda been a spotty almost an adult. I love his guitar playing and his lead work is always very cool, almost tasteful.

But as you say, he's not really a "guitar players player" so to speak, which is why I probably identify with him as a guitarist along with other clumsy, limited ability yet fucken exciting legends such as Mick Ronson and Phil Manzanera.

And yeah, still kicking myself for missing Th' Dudes' shows. Might catch the buggers this time around. Fuken Urlich better give me a comp since being a perennial guest singer in the Mysterons did so much to keep his flagging singing career afloat!

[xxxx]

Yea, quite a sad one I know, the case is falling to bits, It really needs a road case but all my roadcases are cable packer cases that this thing cant fit into! Something will have to be done about it anyhow some time soon, although its been it that case for the last 20 or so or probably more years no probs but theres always a first.

Yea I didnt say that the 'Top 10' was fact, It was just cool that my grandfather was recognized as a potential cadidate for being a pretty good player for the time. It was only the journo's personal opinion which he was entitled to express in his article but yea like some of these other people have a good 'ol discussion about it, I dont know whether or how true that list can be but I do know the old man is a great player, & I also have huge respect for DD, loving DD big time over the years!

You say that the case is falling apart? I had a friend who owned an early 50's Fender Strat. He kept it in a lockable flight case which was alarmed and had a humidifier/temperature control inside. It would probably pay to keep the guitar in a pro quality flightcase that is lockable, therefore reduce further wear & tear on the original case as it will be worth quite a pretty penny on it's own and you want it to be in working condition.

No disrespect to your grandfather who I'm sure is awesome, but did anybody else notice that that list is almost entirely incorrect? Other than Billy TK, none of those guys are remarkable guitar players, and some (Kilgour) are absolute rubbish. Where's Joel Haines, Jeremy Toy, Andy Lynch, Neil Watson, Sean Clancy etc etc?

Every 'Top 10 Guitar Players' list is wrong, just like the rolling stone top #100. Kurt Cobain in the top 30 or so, yet I don't see Rory Gallagher or Danny Ghatton? Completely subjective, and 100% opinion with a bias to popular music [It was Rolling Stone after all]

[GrantB]

I just wanted to say wow...nice guitar. A very desirable piece. As someone mentioned earlier do not let any untrained guitar shop idiots work on this...don't even take it to a luthier without fully checking them out.

It took me a while to come to terms with Gibsons having been a Strat guy from day one...and I still love my Fenders but tend now to play Gibsons mostly...for may reasons most of which would cause bitch slapping fights to rage here....suffice it to say keep hold of this thing and keep trying it until you like it...that is of course unless it has flat frets, then you prolly ain't ever going to like it and you certainly cannot refret it (unless you don;t mind wiping some big$ off the percieved value).

Thanks for sharing it.

[Capt. Black]

Hey xxxx, the John Baker I mentioned is actually younger than us (assuming you're not that young ). I met him last year after I got involved in filming the Wild Things show which had a bill full of 60's R&B bands re-formed and doing what they did back then.

Anyway john has been digging up and releasing heaps of un-released old NZ music or re-releasing stuff that may have slipped off the radar.
He's something of a NZ music historian too. I'll run this stuff by him when I see him next. It'll be interesting to see what he comes up with. I'm certainly keen to hear your Grand dad's music from the day and it'd be cool to see what he's doing now.

How about yourself? What sort of thing you doing?

[Crazy Horse]

No disrespect to your grandfather who I'm sure is awesome, but did anybody else notice that that list is almost entirely incorrect? Other than Billy TK, none of those guys are remarkable guitar players, and some (Kilgour) are absolute rubbish. Where's Joel Haines, Jeremy Toy, Andy Lynch, Neil Watson, Sean Clancy etc etc?

You're stating your opinion as fact. Bit silly really. We've all got our own opinions. That doesn't make it correct or incorrect.

I quite like a lot of David Kilgour's stuff, Hammond Gamble I would definitely rate and I have no idea who 3 of the 5 people you mentioned are. Sean Clancy is a posterboy for Langcaster which automatically disqualifies him in my jaundiced opinion.

Nobody's ever going to agree with your list or anyone else's - that's one of the beautiful things about music. And it's not a bloody competition anyway.

Respect to xxxx's grandad for being in some pretty illustrious local talent in that list. Leave it there or start a new thread.

Oh for goodness' sake. When you, or I, write something, its opinion. Saying IMO or IMHO before everything is redundant - it's assumed to be your opinion since you wrote it! My point is, lazy journalism which simply uses the names of people who play guitar and are somewhat famous.

Clancy, though I don't like his music, is a very impressive guitarist, and has written a book on the art of shred (Learn to Burn), as well as doing some pyrotechnic shit on Showcase about ten years ago that I'd say only a handful of NZ guitarists would even attempt, let alone pull off. Have you ever actually played a kauri Langcaster strat (which is what is being endorsed) or are you just jumping on the bandwagon like everyone else who hasn't but doesn't want to disagree?

FYI Joel Haines - Nathan Haines' brother, jazz guitar guru, breathtaking guitarist, and "famous" to a degree.
Jeremy Toy - Opensouls guitarist and Hollie Smith's guitarist/producer. Smith is somewhat famous, no?
Andy Lynch - Lead guitarist in Atlas, formerly Zed, NZ guitarist of the year around 2001 from memory. Sensational guitarist even if he never uses his chops in his somewhat shitty bands. Was playing guitar for Sting when he started Atlas, almost got the gig with Nine Inch Nails. Those are probably better credentials than cruising on the fucking interislander but what do I know.
Neil Watson - session guitarist, especially known in jazz circles, not overly flashy but gets used by everybody in town from live tv work to Bic Runga's album.
I would also say David Holmes should be in that list somewhere near the top.

I was just making conversation, not challenging anyone's views about it. It's all opinion, of course. The fact that you don't know who three of the five I mentioned are does not in fact make my opinion wrong, it might actually make you ignorant.

[Crazy Horse]

Look, no disrespect to anybody - the list was a total joke was all I was saying. As you were...

[fuzziebro]

Respect. Looks BADASS with three pickups giving you the evils

I've always thought that guitars with three humbuckers were giving me the evils too.

Nice gat.

I spotted the Dobmiester in Tricky Dickies about a month ago, he was buying a new soldering iron...

[Bg]

Respect. Looks BADASS with three pickups giving you the evils

I've always thought that guitars with three humbuckers were giving me the evils too.

Nice gat.

I spotted the Dobmiester in Tricky Dickies about a month ago, he was buying a new soldering iron...

3 hummers is the next best thing to 3 P90's What soldering iron did he buy? And do we need a 'Show us your soldering iron' thread?

[robnobcorncob]

I've met Sean Clancy, he's an absolute MONSTER of a player. Shred as. He played a lunchtime gig at my old high school a few years ago. Lots of Malmsteen covers. Phenomenal technique. Ripped it up on an '80s Squire strat [21 frets, no floyd] into a line 6 flextone. He's from Foxton if I remember correctly, anyone know what he's doing these days?

Sure didn't know that about Andy Lynch! NIN? STING?!?

[Jenesis]

I got mine from Super Cheap Auto. Their staff are arguably less dumb than the staff at Dick Smiths.