New Amps for Good Kicking

slash-ed · Post by **slash-ed** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:53 pm

http://www.marshallamps.com/product_ran ... geNumber=1

They're bringing back the DSL... with a 15W head option.

They're also going to be making them in Vietnam.

Thoughts?

willow13 · Post by **willow13** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:06 pm

these were the ones that were notorious for breaking weren't they?????

I would be quite keen to check out the 15w if all the old "issues" have been sorted...which I think they had on later versions of the originals

demo's here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 4Y2kY-07u8#!

Scooter13 · Post by **Scooter13** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:22 pm

I didn't like the DSL401 with EL84s, it didn't sound any good until it was literally turned up to 10 IMO. It could of been due to the combo format though?
And the old 50W and 100W EL34 DSLs didn't sound great at bedroom volumes either...so it's interesting to see a 6V6 15 Watt. I wonder what that will sound like.
I heard that the DSL issues were fixed some time ago, and it's only the older ones that got the bad rep.

I'd still be keen on any of these though if they are made well etc, as the old DSL50 and 100s are still kick arse sounding amps I reckon.

Edit: 1000th post. Yaaaaay.

Kloppsta · Post by **Kloppsta** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:24 pm

kinda surprised they are bringing back the dsl since the jvm can easily nail dsl tones and the jvm series are way more versatile. at the same time, im not surprised at all since they pretty much havent made anything "new" for decades and it seems to me that they are just jumping on the "reissue" $$gravy train$$ (made in Vietnam wtf?!?!)

i have owned a DSL 100 (had issues) a JMP-1 (had issues) a 9100 mono bloc (had issues) a JCM 800 (had issues) and more recently a JVM, which had no issues but i didnt own it for long and i must say i was not that impressed with the quality. i suppose i was spoilt having had the over-engineered german made diezel before that, but still....the marshall just felt flimsy to handle and was not confidence instilling at all.

with that being said, ive lost faith in Marshall. in my mind they are no longer pioneers, they are repeaters. they are like "that" band that had 1 or 2 big albums in the 80's but has put nothing out since and is still touring off the same albums. I just don’t respect them anymore despite their legacy. My perception is that the marshall of the 60’s, 70’s and even 80’s was all about pushing the envelope and coming up with new and inspiring amps for guitarists. Where as now they seem interested in one thing and one thing only....

$$$

Post by Bg » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:28 pm

gone right off the DSL's

They did fix the circuit board problem but they never actually admitted their was an issue. Tossers. Besides the Bogner is by far the best Marshall I've ever played

slash-ed · Post by **slash-ed** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:31 pm

I think it's partially the perception that guitarists don't WANT innovation from Marshall, though. They want the same old JTM, same old Plexi, etc.

One of the best amps they've designed in the modern era (IMO) is the Vintage Modern, which is like a hotrodded JTM, but so much more. It's largely been ignored by the general populace because Marshall dared to introduce a dual gain structure which kids who set everything to 10 can't get a good sound out of...

Also, JVM is modern era too?

They've also got the digital preamp series (JMD) which isn't really catching on either (except as a bit of a practice amp) - cos nobody wants a modelling Marshall from Marshall!

That said, I know what you mean - but there have at least been some improvements and innovations.

Conway · Post by **Conway** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:40 pm

Why is it that the control panels on the 15 head and 15 combo run in opposite directions???

Scooter13 · Post by **Scooter13** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:43 pm

Conway wrote:Why is it that the control panels on the 15 head and 15 combo run in opposite directions???

Same Circuit layout, turned upside down to fit in a combo (cos tubes sticking out the top of your combo would be problematic), and re-labled I'm guessing.

slash-ed · Post by **slash-ed** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:44 pm

Yup. My Egnater Tweaker was the same.

capt abaham · Post by **capt abaham** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:59 pm

lucky most Marshalls are a breeze to fix

rebuild bias board onto a tag board
change allmost every resistor
re-flow every pot, switch and socket
mount that new board and hardwire a few cable patches

and sweet

Kloppsta · Post by **Kloppsta** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:00 pm

yeah, they have a recipe for tone.....and its a tasty recipe for sure! nothing sounds quite like a cranked (classic) marshall but i just think that after the JCM's of the 80's its been mostly down hill. JVM is indeed "modern" era, and i would put money down on a bet that the jvm410 in particular is marshalls most feature laden and versatile amp to date, however other manufacturers have been doing the same thing for ages (diezel, bogner, randall, mesa etc) so even with all the bells and whistles they arent giving us anything new and innovative imo.

different strokes for different folks but to me things like built in reverb is pointless cause it sounds like arse. also having switchable "modes" per channel is great, but only if they "flow" on from one another....i.e. no major volume drops or boosts making on the fly use impossible. so even the jvm with all its features still has its flaws and tbh its not giving guitarists anything that they couldnt have got from other amp makers 10 or more years ago.

i agree about the perception that guitarists want marshall to make classic marshalls. but in saying that i think they are hurting their rep (not their wallets) reissuing "classic" designs that dont live up to the originals in terms of quality and reliability. thats just my own view

its not just marshall doing this. most companies will at some point "sell out" to give the customer "what they want" at a cheap price (so they sell lots of units) but inevitably those customers will end up disappointed that their reissue jcm800 doesnt sound as good and ends up in the service shop way more often than their mates original. (gross generalisation)

i dunno, im just harping on cause i think ive just had a bad run with marshalls and its left a slightly bitter taste in my mouth

higainer · Post by **higainer** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:00 pm

Kloppsta wrote:i agree about the perception that guitarists want marshall to make classic marshalls. but in saying that i think they are hurting their rep (not their wallets) reissuing "classic" designs that dont live up to the originals in terms of quality and reliability. thats just my own view

Exactly !!!!!!!!

I think some of the plexi re-issues were suffering because Marshall opted for el cheapo trannys

badmotor · Post by **badmotor** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:23 pm

capt abaham wrote:lucky most Marshalls are a breeze to fix

rebuild bias board onto a tag board
change allmost every resistor
re-flow every pot, switch and socket
mount that new board and hardwire a few cable patches

and sweet

Have you finished it already? Ha ha.

capt abaham · Post by **capt abaham** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:35 pm

badmotor wrote:
capt abaham wrote:lucky most Marshalls are a breeze to fix

rebuild bias board onto a tag board
change allmost every resistor
re-flow every pot, switch and socket
mount that new board and hardwire a few cable patches

and sweet
Have you finished it already? Ha ha.

narr, waiting on a tranny, it kind of allmost works with the new bias board held in the air lol

when i had it going i found about 6 new faults

its so much fun!

but i love it and will never be able to sell it

Post by Bg » Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:37 pm

Should be more reliable then

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