Detune pedal?
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Detune pedal?
A mate can't sing the high range any more. He's tried de-tuning his guitars but the sound is mushy. I suggested a baritone but with 4 guitars arriving in the mail in the past 5 weeks, he's worried the next delivery will be divorce papers.
There's pedals that do this though, right? What are they? Good example recommendations?
Our hero used to have a Line 6 variax which would suit the bill perfectly but any guitar without a use by lunchtime has to be sold.
There's pedals that do this though, right? What are they? Good example recommendations?
Our hero used to have a Line 6 variax which would suit the bill perfectly but any guitar without a use by lunchtime has to be sold.
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Re: Detune pedal?
How far is he detuning the guitars? I would go up a string gauge for each semitone detuned. But I can't imagine needing to detune more than a semitone or two...
Also, those detune things feel seriously weird. Something jarring about the effect and how the strings feel and vibrate. I am not a fan, and the idea of having one 'always on' weirds me out a bit. I tried a Morpheus DropTune, which I think is one of the better ones out there?
Also, those detune things feel seriously weird. Something jarring about the effect and how the strings feel and vibrate. I am not a fan, and the idea of having one 'always on' weirds me out a bit. I tried a Morpheus DropTune, which I think is one of the better ones out there?
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Re: Detune pedal?
CDog demoed us his Digitech Drop at the gearfest, super impressed!!!
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Re: Detune pedal?
Bumping up string gauges would be my advice if it's a permanent change. I like to play Kyuss and QOTSA stuff which is in C standard and I'll use the detune function on my Helix if my guitar's in E standard. It sounds good but it all feels a bit wrong for more than 1 or 2 songs.hercules wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:51 am How far is he detuning the guitars? I would go up a string gauge for each semitone detuned. But I can't imagine needing to detune more than a semitone or two...
Also, those detune things feel seriously weird. Something jarring about the effect and how the strings feel and vibrate. I am not a fan, and the idea of having one 'always on' weirds me out a bit. I tried a Morpheus DropTune, which I think is one of the better ones out there?
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Re: Detune pedal?
Sorry if this is captain obvious, but can he just transpose and learn to play in keys that match his vocal range? I guess it depends on what the songs are, if they depend on certain open strings etc. I have to drop most songs down a tone as my higher range is not that pleasant.Slowy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:42 am A mate can't sing the high range any more. He's tried de-tuning his guitars but the sound is mushy. I suggested a baritone but with 4 guitars arriving in the mail in the past 5 weeks, he's worried the next delivery will be divorce papers.
There's pedals that do this though, right? What are they? Good example recommendations?
Our hero used to have a Line 6 variax which would suit the bill perfectly but any guitar without a use by lunchtime has to be sold.
They keep telling me tone is in the fingers, but I have yet to see a "look at my fingers" thread.
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Re: Detune pedal?
The drop pedal (dgiitech) is pretty good to a whole tone and rubbish after that. They are discontinued though and people are asking silly money for them. If its only going to eb/d ,its cheaper to restring!
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Re: Detune pedal?
Yeah, this.Delayman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:19 amSorry if this is captain obvious, but can he just transpose and learn to play in keys that match his vocal range? I guess it depends on what the songs are, if they depend on certain open strings etc. I have to drop most songs down a tone as my higher range is not that pleasant.Slowy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:42 am A mate can't sing the high range any more. He's tried de-tuning his guitars but the sound is mushy. I suggested a baritone but with 4 guitars arriving in the mail in the past 5 weeks, he's worried the next delivery will be divorce papers.
There's pedals that do this though, right? What are they? Good example recommendations?
Our hero used to have a Line 6 variax which would suit the bill perfectly but any guitar without a use by lunchtime has to be sold.
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Re: Detune pedal?
The problem starts there I think - define "mushy". Does he mean mushy feeling (loose strings) or mushy sounding (muddy, no clarity) - or both? Guitars can be setup for low tunings and sound fine. My Charvel is in drop B with 12-54s and it's not mushy to me... but it is ofcourse a lot deeper and thicker sounding than E-standard - that's just physics.
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Re: Detune pedal?
Some chord progressions and riffs do not retain their character when transposed to another key. Likewise many fingerpicked passages do not change key and remain playable; not for folks with skills less than Danny Gatton.bender wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:12 amYeah, this.Delayman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:19 amSorry if this is captain obvious, but can he just transpose and learn to play in keys that match his vocal range? I guess it depends on what the songs are, if they depend on certain open strings etc. I have to drop most songs down a tone as my higher range is not that pleasant.Slowy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:42 am A mate can't sing the high range any more. He's tried de-tuning his guitars but the sound is mushy. I suggested a baritone but with 4 guitars arriving in the mail in the past 5 weeks, he's worried the next delivery will be divorce papers.
There's pedals that do this though, right? What are they? Good example recommendations?
Our hero used to have a Line 6 variax which would suit the bill perfectly but any guitar without a use by lunchtime has to be sold.
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Re: Detune pedal?
It'll sound better than rattly slack stringsSlowy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 5:11 amSome chord progressions and riffs do not retain their character when transposed to another key. Likewise many fingerpicked passages do not change key and remain playable; not for folks with skills less than Danny Gatton.bender wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:12 amYeah, this.Delayman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:19 am
Sorry if this is captain obvious, but can he just transpose and learn to play in keys that match his vocal range? I guess it depends on what the songs are, if they depend on certain open strings etc. I have to drop most songs down a tone as my higher range is not that pleasant.
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Re: Detune pedal?
Yep. Hence the search for a pedal that does what a Line6 Variax guitar does.
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Re: Detune pedal?
I definitely get that. I had to transpose about 60% of the Moe Show songs for the voice actors to be able to sing- their character voices made their ranges unpredictable. Transposing down I’d often lose open string chord voicings, not to mention hammer-ons that would be part of the character of the original idea.
If a detune pedal doesn’t work out or you just can’t find one, another thing you could try is transposing up with a capo and then dropping the melody an octave. That worked reasonably well for me for some songs. You have to transpose up quite far (5-7 semi tones) for that to work so it’s a bit hit and miss though.