Why do they not wear the same? I can't say I'm terribly familiar with how a CS guitar wears (most of them seem to come pre-relic'd anyway). Nor have I retained all the detail about AVRI finishes. But even the AVRI finishes have differed over the years. The 'Pure Vintage' reissues of a number of years ago were all nitro 'flash coat', I think, while the American Originals like mine apparently have a poly basecoat, which I think is 'correct' for a mid-'60s Fender, if such a thing matters on a guitar that's kind of a mish-mash of '60s features and has an 'incorrect' fingerboard radius anyway. Not sure how the '62RIs were finished. But I suspect there's a similar variation going on with the CS guitars. Possibly they do the thin 'flash coat' thing since I imagine most owners of CS guitars are hoping they'll start to wear and look like an old one quickly.robthemac wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 8:57 amWhy do AVRIs not wear Fender's CS guitars if they're theoretically the same nitro?Starfire wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 4:18 pmThere's a '62 AVRI on TradeMe. Seems a reasonable price if you can live with black and a bit of wear.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketplace ... f=kMyfZuBn
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Middle-to-high end. Somewhere above an American Standard, below a Custom Shop, angling for a different buyer than the American Deluxe.MiniForklift wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 9:42 amWhere do the AVRI lines sit in comparison to their others, somewhere in the middle? Often see them crop up but admit I don’t know a lot about them
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Custom Shop finishes are a lot thinner, they tend to crack and flake off, but don't tend to get those plasticky dents. You're probably right in that being period correct for mid-60s.Starfire wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 9:56 amWhy do they not wear the same? I can't say I'm terribly familiar with how a CS guitar wears (most of them seem to come pre-relic'd anyway). Nor have I retained all the detail about AVRI finishes. But even the AVRI finishes have differed over the years. The 'Pure Vintage' reissues of a number of years ago were all nitro 'flash coat', I think, while the American Originals like mine apparently have a poly basecoat, which I think is 'correct' for a mid-'60s Fender, if such a thing matters on a guitar that's kind of a mish-mash of '60s features and has an 'incorrect' fingerboard radius anyway. Not sure how the '62RIs were finished. But I suspect there's a similar variation going on with the CS guitars. Possibly they do the thin 'flash coat' thing since I imagine most owners of CS guitars are hoping they'll start to wear and look like an old one quickly.robthemac wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 8:57 amWhy do AVRIs not wear Fender's CS guitars if they're theoretically the same nitro?Starfire wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 4:18 pm
There's a '62 AVRI on TradeMe. Seems a reasonable price if you can live with black and a bit of wear.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketplace ... f=kMyfZuBn
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Cheers Rob, that’s nice and clear
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That's relative to the mid-2000s era Fender lineup. I get confused about American Original, American Performer etc....
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American Original is the current vintage-style line, of which my JM Is one. They’re not exactly a reissue of a specific year, and don’t have vintage radius or frets. I think the line is now discontinued as it’s about due for a refresh.robthemac wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:47 pmThat's relative to the mid-2000s era Fender lineup. I get confused about American Original, American Performer etc....
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The return to thin finish nitro etc has happened gradually since Fender realised there was more interest in reproduction than innovation.
I've had a couple of early Custom Shop 50's reissues from the mid 90's with hideously thick poly finishes. Great guitars but hamstrung by the tonal imapact of the finish. Also AVRI's from 2005 ish with similar. I'm not a fan of relics per se but to my ears they sound considerably better thanks to the thin or absent finishes.
I've had a couple of early Custom Shop 50's reissues from the mid 90's with hideously thick poly finishes. Great guitars but hamstrung by the tonal imapact of the finish. Also AVRI's from 2005 ish with similar. I'm not a fan of relics per se but to my ears they sound considerably better thanks to the thin or absent finishes.
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Yeah my CS Strat was horrifically thick poly. It's now much thinner nitro and I'm so much happier!Dharmajester wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:44 pm The return to thin finish nitro etc has happened gradually since Fender realised there was more interest in reproduction than innovation.
I've had a couple of early Custom Shop 50's reissues from the mid 90's with hideously thick poly finishes. Great guitars but hamstrung by the tonal imapact of the finish. Also AVRI's from 2005 ish with similar. I'm not a fan of relics per se but to my ears they sound considerably better thanks to the thin or absent finishes.
I suspect the use different paint formulations for dinner lines within the CS range, even in the modern era. I remember the Custom Classic line being really hard, plasticky 'nitro' that didn't wear well at all. Whereas the higher-end CS instruments were so damn soft and fragile, even the Time Machine, non-reliced ones.
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Yep, my 92 Fender Custom Shop 65 RI has thick poly. Haven't noticed tonal issues, but I'm a bit cloth eared.
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My 1990 Strat has pretty thick poly but sounds awesome. I’m sure it would sound even better if I stripped it with a heat gun
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Really thick poly needs a heatgun and it's surprising just how thick the finish that comes off actually is. If it's a less plastic finish you can take it down gradually using Naptha ( Colemans camping stove fuel ).
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True. I once peeled a Tele like an orange.Dharmajester wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 8:21 pm Really thick poly needs a heatgun and it's surprising just how thick the finish that comes off actually is.
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I have an AVRI Strat that I had hoped would gather an aged nitro finish but if anything you can just feel a thin nitro top coat floating on a poly base coat. The nitro feels good, it’s tactile and gathers scuffs but they buff out and then you have a new guitar again…which is fine, but if you want a natural relic it’s still gonna’ take you years of good honest use.
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Ain't nobody got time for that.standardfour wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 10:16 pm if you want a natural relic it’s still gonna’ take you years of good honest use.